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Old February 13th, 2005, 09:16 PM
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I took my 97 defender 90 into NYC and put it in a parking garage overnight. When I came back the next day, the attendendant told me that they had trouble with the shift lever and couldn't get the car started. The battery was dead. So we hooked it up to a jump. When you turn the key to start the car, the lights are all lit and the car is getting ready to start, but it won't turn over. I think it's because the shift lever is stuck in Reverse. Although the the shift lever is stuck iin reverse the car still freely moves when you push it, almost like it's in Nuetral. has anybody ever experienced this? Does anybody have any idea what is wrong or a fix? And finally can anybody recommend a good mechanic in the NYC area if I need to send it over there?
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Old February 13th, 2005, 09:30 PM
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You got to get that lever moving.

Is it stuck in reverse or park? There's the brake switch issue on our '97s, with that solenoid that keeps the car in Park when not working properly. The switch itself is under the hood, on the back of the braking mechanism, behind the brake fluid resivoir and behind the power assist round thing, and just between the bulkhead and the bracket all that brake stuff is bolted to. It's on the top, so with two fingers you can get the wires off the switch there and connect them. Just connect the two wires together with a little piece of wire or flat metal or whatever. Then try all again.
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Old February 13th, 2005, 09:53 PM
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It looks to be stuck in Reverse. That's where the shift lever is. But when you try to roll it forward it moves freelly. I'm wondering if one of the attendants tried to force the shift lever and it skipped a gear somehow. The car only has 10k miles on it so I think the tranny is fine. It may have something to do with the shift wire but when I get underneath and try and move it by hand it still won't budge, with or without the brake depressed. If it's not in park would the solenoid still be an issue?
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Old February 13th, 2005, 11:50 PM
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Other than Manhattan Land Rover (I don't like them), there is Vinnie at Import Specialist in Paramus NJ (30 min from the city 201 493-8213). He is very nice and honest, a bit pricey for an independant shop but cheaper than a dealership.
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Old February 14th, 2005, 08:55 AM
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I feel your pain, but yet another good reason not to let the uninitiated drive your 90. Over the years I have had tire shop maniacs, valets, even car wash jockeys manhandle my Land Rovers. Most resulting in some type of damage, either to interior trim, or a broken electric seat, and diff lock problems caused by some idiot playing around with it.

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Old February 14th, 2005, 09:27 AM
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John,

Give me a call and if you need some help (212) 530-6554.

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Old February 14th, 2005, 10:26 AM
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Is the transfer case lever in neutral? I dont know if that would let it to roll in reverse? Maybe the attendent shifted the transfer case lever into neutral out of 4 Hi.
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Old February 14th, 2005, 10:58 AM
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That's what it sounds like to me. If the transmission is in Reverse then that means the brake switch is working. Can you move the transmission from R to any other position?

Let me know what Parking Garage it's in and I can meet you there and try to troubleshoot the problem.
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Old February 14th, 2005, 12:06 PM
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The transfer case shift lever felt like it was in H when I first checked. The car was rolling before I moved it so I found that strange. I can't move the transmission from R to any other gear. John C. I am currently at work, but if I get a second I'll give you a call. I appreciate it.
My other main concern is if I go to the garage and poke around under the hood, then the parking garage can wash their hands of any responsibilty for what happened. I'm thinking I should have it towed to a qualified dealer so they can't worm out of any responsibility? Anybody have any thoughts on this?
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Old February 14th, 2005, 12:28 PM
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Good luck with that. I would cut my losses, get it fixed and try to have a better day. Some things just are not worth loosing sleep over.
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Old February 14th, 2005, 01:32 PM
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I hear what you're saying John G. You should let the garage take the responsibility, have them take it to Manhattan Land Rover and let them take care of the bill. It's probably something simple, but if it's not you can end up paying who knows how much. The garage has insurance let them pay for it. You'll have plenty to open your wallet for with the truck, might as well let someone pay for their bad. Where in the city is the garage?
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Old February 14th, 2005, 01:55 PM
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Could it possibly be the small E-Clip that is inside the shift lever? Any thoughts!
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Old February 15th, 2005, 10:49 AM
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It might sound silly but throw a temper tantrum, insist that they broke they fix it, you'll sue etc etc.. Don't touch it yourself. remember the squeeky wheel gets the grease.

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Old February 15th, 2005, 10:56 AM
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Guys, he's in NYC... do you really think they give a shit if he complains or not. I'm not saying he shouldn't complain but the reality is that no one gives a shit in NY if you sue them or not. Plus, they clearly have posted in the parking garage that it's not their responsibility if anything gets stolen or breaks.

Again, he has the right to complain and sue whoever he wants but the reality is that it's not worth the trouble.

Just get the D90 out of the garage and remember never to bring it to a garage that won't let you park your own vehicle.

I said I would help you or I can get someone in Manhattan that can give you a hand. Heck, if it moves freely then let's tow it out of there....
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Old February 15th, 2005, 06:22 PM
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Guys, he's in NYC... do you really think they give a shit if he complains or
LOL, I grew up in the NYC, and fully understand the above-stated attitude.

'sounds like the garage guys are idiots. They parked it with the lights left on, and the tranny left in R. Then they put the transfer case in neutral. Scary. You're lucky they set the parking brake.

You will NOT be able to move the tranny lever with a dead battery. And, the car will not turn over with the tranny in R. Charge up the battery or swap in a charged one. When you can get the lever to P, you should be able to start it.
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Old February 15th, 2005, 07:18 PM
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OK, so I went back to the garage and raised bloody blue murder. Of course it got me nowhere. I filled out a report and filed a claim. Now I need to get it towed to a mechanic (or bring one there) who can check it out. I tried getting in touch with John C. (see posts above) but I guess he was tied up. SO against posts above I called Manhattan Land Rover to see if they would come get it.
Before I go any further, understand that i'm not whining, now I'm just writing in case anybody else has trouble in Manhattan. First rule of NYC: DO NOT BOTHER WITH MANHATTAN LAND ROVER. I called them 4 times in the span of 10 minutes. They transfered me to service. When nobody picked up the line in service, it kicked back to the main switchboard. The switchboard sent me back. After the 3rd loop they hung up on me. They must have caller id because when I called back They would pick up the phone, see my number and hang up. This happened 4 times. Not a coincidence. I called 30 min later and got the same reaction ater the first call.
Long story short, When the D90 gets back in order the first thing I'm driving over is them.

With that in mind, Can anybody recommend a mechanic between NYC and Westchester. I saw the Vinny post, but I'd like to find one that I can use on a regular basis closer to my area. Sorry to be a pain and drag out this thread. It will all be over when I get the truck back, fix it and set right all these wrongs in one fell off-roading swoop.
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