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Old January 26th, 2016, 01:20 PM
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Petrol Series/Defender manifold compatibility

The exhaust manifold on my 1989 2.5L petrol fractures yesterday on my drive to work. This happened in the past and a friend of mine patched it up with a weld that held for a while, but it is no more. I've been searching around and I found this...

598473 | Exhaust Manifold 4cyl - 4cyl Petrol - Paddock Spares

It "looks" identical to the part that I need, only less than half of the price. Does anyone know if it is compatible? I plan to call them tomorrow, it's just difficult with the time difference.
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Old January 26th, 2016, 01:46 PM
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The manifold you posted the link to is for a Series II, IIA, III - 2.25 4 cylinder gas engine and is very different from the 2.5 Petrol manifold for your 110.
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You sure it is not ETC5330?

ETC5330 - Manifold Assembley Exhaust Parallel Sided 2.5 Petrol
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Old January 26th, 2016, 02:02 PM
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The manifold you posted the link to is for a Series II, IIA, III - 2.25 4 cylinder gas engine and is very different from the 2.5 Petrol manifold for your 110.
That's what I was thinking. I've been scouring the internet for a definitive answer, but I have yet to find one. A lot of people said that the intake ports were different, but the exhaust ports were identical. I was very much hoping that it would work for me because that website has drastically lower prices than anywhere else, and doesn't carry a manifold for a 2.5 petrol.
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Old January 26th, 2016, 02:04 PM
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How about you take some photos....

Is the head off yet?
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That is the correct part, I was just hoping that it was the same as the 2.25 because it's half of the price

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How about you take some photos....

Is the head off yet?
Spent most of the evening cleaning out the garage to fit the 110 in it haha. Got the hood taken off and broke her down to the block (carb/manifolds/rocker cover off). Head comes off tonight when I get off work.
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Make sure you quickly check and see if any rockers have a lot of clearance first. Rule of 9. When one rocker is down, check clearance on the one that adds to 9..... 1 down, check 8. 2 down, check 7....
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Excellebt, John.
That's it!

I have been working on an inlet manifold with twin SU carbs to fit the rover 4 cyl petrol engines and was about to search for this same manifold as it flows much better than the stock series one.
You just saved me the search.
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RimmerBros has it a bit cheaper...
Exhaust Manifold 2 1/4 & 2 1/2 Petrol - Aftermarket at www.rimmerbros.co.uk

------ Follow up post added January 26th, 2016 12:52 PM ------

ALSO,


RimmerBros lists it as being compatible with the 2.25 and 2.5, does that not cover the series motors? (ie, will the series model not fit?)
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RimmerBros has it a bit cheaper... Exhaust Manifold 2 1/4 & 2 1/2 Petrol - Aftermarket at www.rimmerbros.co.uk ------ Follow up post added January 26th, 2016 12:52 PM ------ ALSO, RimmerBros lists it as being compatible with the 2.25 and 2.5, does that not cover the series motors?
That is the conical down pipe one. They are cheaper. They are an earlier version but has a different exhaust. They used 2.25 in early defenders.
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Make sure you quickly check and see if any rockers have a lot of clearance first. Rule of 9. When one rocker is down, check clearance on the one that adds to 9..... 1 down, check 8. 2 down, check 7....
Red90, I'm been reading the manuals that I found online, are these the measurements that I should be checking for with the "rule of 9" technique?
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That is the conical down pipe one. They are cheaper. They are an earlier version but has a different exhaust. They used 2.25 in early defenders.
I've seen that there is are conical and parallel (I think?) versions for sale, and the price is usually only a few GBP/UKP different. Is there a benefit to one instead of the other? I've been flipping back and forth between the photos and they look the same to me lol
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The conical one looks cheaper. ERC9071 | Exhaust Manifold - Paddock Spares It has something to do with the downpipe style. I'm not sure the details. Nobody up here has a 2.5 P......so I've never seen one in person.

Yes, 10 thou hot on the valve clearance. Probably a bit less cold.

Genuine manual here: pdf Land Rover Manuals | Landroverweb.com "Defender 90 & 110 Workshop Maunual" Parts 1 to 5 cover everything for your truck. "Part Catalogue 1987 onwards" for the parts catalog.
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$85 for the correct part ?
According to the part catalog, it should be part ETC5330. It's around 50-60GBP from different vendors, so yea $80-90usd


@Red90, thanks for that link, helped me out a lot
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Yes, 10 thou hot on the valve clearance. Probably a bit less cold.
Tore it all down to the bare head, found a lot of missing or only hand tight bolts on the way there. Since it was 1130 at night by that time, I only measures one valve. I rotated the #3 until it was all the way down, and measured #6. Completely cold it measured at .014 (.356mm). I'm going to get the wife out to help me this afternoon and measure everything else.

Is there a point to correcting these gaps now, before I remove the head? Or should I wait until the rebuild..
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.010 clearance intake and exhaust, hot or cold. Quoted directly from the valve cover. 2.25 and 2.5 in defenders were identical above the top of the block with the only exception being a larger secondary jet in the carb and the addition of unleaded (stellite) valves in the 2.5 head.

In other words, use the correct manifold as pictured. 2.25/2.5 doesn't matter. Just don't try to use the series LR version.

Also, don't pull the head unless you've confirmed there is a real problem. Adjust the valves per the manual and make sure everything else is functioning properly before opening the engine up unnecessarily.
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Is there a point to correcting these gaps now, before I remove the head? Or should I wait until the rebuild..
No. Just to see if something is really wrong there first.

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Also, don't pull the head unless you've confirmed there is a real problem. Adjust the valves per the manual and make sure everything else is functioning properly before opening the engine up unnecessarily.
He has no power and is belching crankcase oil out the exhaust..... Not sure why not to pull the head. It is 30 minutes of your life.
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He has no power and is belching crankcase oil out the exhaust..... Not sure why not to pull the head. It is 30 minutes of your life.
^ my thoughts as well. Head gasket kit it 7gbp and the bolts are reusable. With oil in the coolant, coming out from in-between the head/block, and spitting out of the exhaust, I'm pretty sure that the gasket is blown. Only other thing that I can think of is that the rings could be bad, which would royally suck.

Going to skip measuring the other valves and just pull the head tonight. Going to look for a shop to do a full workover and cleaning on the bad boy just to be safe. Thoughts? How much would a chemical bath, skim, and valve job be?
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You could also have a cracked head.

In any event, a compression test before you pull the head might make sense.
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