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Old January 6th, 2016, 01:49 PM
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if you have fuel @ the injectors the fuel solenoid is working.

Try more gasoline but dont use glows
He does not have fuel at the injectors.
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He does not have fuel at the injectors.
My bad. I took "Also -- I've cracked open each of the fuel injectors where the line comes in from the injection pump, and I see fuel no air on cranking" to mean there was only fuel leaking when he cracked ea injector line.
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My bad. I took "Also -- I've cracked open each of the fuel injectors where the line comes in from the injection pump, and I see fuel no air on cranking" to mean there was only fuel leaking when he cracked ea injector line.
LOL. Actually you are probably right Doug and I read it wrong.
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Yeah, so there is fuel going to the injectors from the pump, and to the return line at injector.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 03:57 PM
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Okay, my bad. Then it is not a fuel supply problem and you can look elsewhere....

Check that the rockers are rocking (timing belt not broken). If that is all good, then it must just need more heat or cranking speed.
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You can use WD-40 as starting fluid or ether but very little
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You can use WD-40 as starting fluid or ether but very little
Pablo: starting fluid, even in small amounts will melt down the tops of the Rover pistons.
Some Perkins use an ether start, but it is based on a pre-combustion chamber of an indirect injection engine that is built from the start to use a regimented amount.
The gasoline is a better less volatile option as long as the engine is not hydro-locked from too zealous an application of it.
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So I used a jump box with many amps, and tried with gasoline, to no avail.

Clarification: I'm pouring a little bit of gas into the intake manifold hole from which I've disconnected the air intake pipe, then running over to crank. Should this be done simultaneously?
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How old is the last tank. Wondering if the fuel gelled in the cold.
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It's 60+ outside today.

The tank is... Probably a couple of weeks old. Only at 3/4.
Driven pretty regularly, and was driven into the driveway just earlier in the day.
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are you sure valve train is moving ? Any smoke coming out of the tailpipe ?
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put a hair dryer into the air intake and try to start it.

If you are getting squirts of fuel from the injector then you have fuel so the stop solenoid should be good. If it is just dribbling out you may not be getting fuel. check with a test lamp?

Are you getting voltage at all glow plugs or just 1?

Fire triangle; heat, air, fuel, for a internal combustion engine timing. On these pretty easy to figure air and fuel and heat.

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parked uphill 2.5na cranks no start

So I'm going to buy a hair dryer for the Land Rover now? Geez, it never ends...

But I'm a complete novice, so

Adding heat to intake, will try after acquiring hair dryer, can you explain?

Also, please explain check what exactly with test lamp. I cracked the nut a little bit, seemed like plenty of fuel.

** How do I test glow plugs beyond having enough voltage?
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The test lamp would be to ensure you are getting voltage to the fuel stop solenoid when the key is on. Hearing it click would make sure it is working.

The way a diesel starts is by making the combustion chamber hot enough to ignite the fuel. typically by the use of glowplugs, although if not too cold just the compression of the fuel mixture can be hot enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glowplug is a good place to start.

If the glowplugs are not working the walls of the combustion chamber can take away the heat which is made by the compression of the fuel mixture(air) and make starting more difficult. There isn't enough heat to ignite it.

Blowing a hairdryer into the intake can provide the additional heat IF that is what is needed. PLEASE NO GASOLINE WHEN USING THE HAIR DRYER!!!

I'm still not sure if it is a, heat, fuel, timing issue. Pretty unlikely an air problem.

If you don't have a workshop manual on your rig you should get one if you plan on doing your own work.
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The test lamp would be to ensure you are getting voltage to the fuel stop solenoid when the key is on. Hearing it click would make sure it is working.

If you don't have a workshop manual on your rig you should get one if you plan on doing your own work.
Have tested solenoid is clicking, and I am seeing fuel at the injectors, so rules out solenoid.

If dead glow plugs, more heat makes sense-- although I would've thought it would work when it was warm (60F) outside today, but maybe not warm enough.

Def. thought about doing research for which manual best to get, but when it's not raining, one doesn't remember to buy an umbrella!

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are you sure valve train is moving ? Any smoke coming out of the tailpipe ?
I am not sure-- do I have to take off everything in the front to see if the TB is broken or some such horribleness?

No smoke out tailpipe.
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Old January 7th, 2016, 10:03 PM
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I am not sure-- do I have to take off everything in the front to see if the TB is broken or some such horribleness?

No smoke out tailpipe.
Remove the oil filler cap and look at a rocker while cranking.
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Started up today!

I checked the resistance in glow plugs, and they seemed good, so I got a different jump box fully charged, put some Lucas fuel treatment stuff in the tank, and cranked for longer than before. Specifically, the Mrs. cranked, and maybe it just wanted a woman's touch!
Very rough on starting, much smoke, but fine thereafter.

Thanks for all the help, folks! Really great help.
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