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Old September 27th, 2016, 12:56 PM
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One swivel kit, 90 and 110?

Being a cheap SOB, I might have found a solution to two problems.

The left swivel leaks on my 1988 110, the right swivel leaks on my 1986 90. Can I use this kit and fix both vehicles?

Swivel Ball Kit For Defender 90 - DA3203

Being a cheap SOB, does anyone know of a cheaper kit? Or does someone here have an unused swivel kit to sell?

One point of detail. I know for a fact the 110 swivel has pits and really needs to be replaced. I'm not sure that I need to replace the swivel on the 90.

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Old September 27th, 2016, 02:15 PM
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No 1. That's a castor corrected ball kit, you can't just use one side.

No 2 I have found that buying these britpart kits from. EBay. Co. UK is cheaper

http://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/lan...upper-and.html
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Old September 27th, 2016, 02:52 PM
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Nice, much better price. Now to figure out shipping.

Are swivel balls left/right handed?

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No 1. That's a castor corrected ball kit, you can't just use one side.

No 2 I have found that buying these britpart kits from. EBay. Co. UK is cheaper

DA3167 - Swivel Kit for Defender to KA930455 Kit Includes Swivel Housing Swivel Pin Brg Gasket Oil Seals Plate Shims Joint Washers Swivel Pin Upper and Grease
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Old September 27th, 2016, 02:57 PM
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Are your balls bad?
If they are not pitted badly you may only need to reseal the swivels.
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Old September 27th, 2016, 03:02 PM
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Nice, much better price. Now to figure out shipping.

Are swivel balls left/right handed?

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Nope
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Old September 27th, 2016, 03:03 PM
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Are swivel balls left/right handed?
Not normal ones. But castor corrected ones are.
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Old September 27th, 2016, 03:27 PM
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You expect an answer in public?

Yes, the 110 has a big gouge, I need to more closely inspect the 90.

Where is the serial/part number on the axle? I'm not certain it is original to my 1988 110.

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Are your balls bad?
If they are not pitted badly you may only need to reseal the swivels.
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Old September 27th, 2016, 03:32 PM
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Inboard of the radius arm opposite the diff side of the axle if you're looking at the front axle from the front.
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Inboard of the radius arm opposite the diff side of the axle if you're looking at the front axle from the front.
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Old September 27th, 2016, 04:09 PM
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Bring a wire wheel....
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Maybe this is all you need to do, I did this on one several years ago & it's working fine. No oil leaks.

Replacing Land Rover front swivel ball seals
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Old September 28th, 2016, 03:54 PM
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Thanks. I'm aware of this technique and was considering it until a large gouge was pointed out to me.

I've also considered using epoxy to fill the gouge.

But Craddock has a complete kit for 80 (about $105 now) plus shipping. Since I'll be doing the repair, I have limited time and my wife doesn't want reliable, she wants RELIABLE!!!, I think I'll spend the money for Craddock.

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Maybe this is all you need to do, I did this on one several years ago & it's working fine. No oil leaks.

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Old September 29th, 2016, 11:54 AM
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Now I need to confirm I'm ordering the correct parts.

The top picture is the center hub of my 1986 90 with a 21L front axle.

The second picture is the center hub of my 1988 110 with a 20L front axle. Obviously different, but will the swivel balls and seals be the same?

Will this kit fit both?

http://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/lan...upper-and.html

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The upper one looks like a normal early (1993-) Defender front axle, although hard to see in your picture.

The lower one is not a Defender axle. RRC or early Disco. It is not a 20L, so it is hybrid mix of something and you would need to take it apart to see what is there...

Your link is bad.
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Old September 29th, 2016, 12:14 PM
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Try this link:

DA3167 - Swivel Kit for Defender to KA930455 Kit Includes Swivel Housing Swivel Pin Brg Gasket Oil Seals Plate Shims Joint Washers Swivel Pin Upper and Grease

My '88 110 had a Disco 300Tdi transplanted by a previous owner, so who knows what else was modified? But I confirmed myself yesterday, the axle says '20L'. Just looking at the ball, it looks like my 90 (picture above) and my 1997 Discovery.

Well, so much for my "order parts, quick change" plan.

Does anyone know if there is a way to confirm the correct swivel ball without taking it apart?

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The upper one looks like a normal early (1993-) Defender front axle, although hard to see in your picture.

The lower one is not a Defender axle. RRC or early Disco. It is not a 20L, so it is hybrid mix of something and you would need to take it apart to see what is there...

Your link is bad.
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Old September 29th, 2016, 12:22 PM
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The flange pictured is from the earlier Discos (1993 and earlier) or a RRC. It is not a 20L axle. 20L is a Defender axle. So the center case is from a Defender and at least some of the outer parts are from a RRC. There is a lot of mixing and matching that can be done... Without taking it apart and knowing what you are looking at, figuring out seals and bearings will be very hard.

The swivel balls in those setups (and the earlier Defender) are not the same as your 1997 Disco even though you may thing they look the same. The important bit is if the swivel housing is using two bearings or a bearing and a pin for choosing the correct swivel ball.

YOU need to become very familiar with looking over parts catalogues and checking on part numbers and stop relying on the internet. Too much is lost without double checking everything.
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I'm about to make a whole Thread on this exact job and some.
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I'm gonna pm you to let you know what I've found out so far
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Old September 29th, 2016, 12:28 PM
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For the early RRC setup, there are three different kits: Range Rover Classic | Britpart Land Rover Parts DA3163, 3164 and 3165.
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Old September 29th, 2016, 12:30 PM
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So I could remove the top swivel pin (while carefully supporting the whole assembly) and verify if it has a bearing or a bushing?

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The important bit is if the swivel housing is using two bearings or a bearing and a pin for choosing the correct swivel ball.
------ Follow up post added September 30th, 2016 02:34 AM ------

I don't have antiskid so the non-ABS DA3165 should work?

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For the early RRC setup, there are three different kits: Range Rover Classic | Britpart Land Rover Parts DA3163, 3164 and 3165.
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Old September 29th, 2016, 12:37 PM
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So I could remove the top swivel pin (while carefully supporting the whole assembly) and verify if it has a bearing or a bushing?

Mike & Carrie



------ Follow up post added September 30th, 2016 02:34 AM ------

I don't have antiskid so the non-ABS DA3165 should work?

Mike & Carrie


Yes you can remove the top pivot pin and see if you have a pin or a bushing without disassembing the rest of the hub. Just keep it clean and make sure to put back all the shims


Even easier just check this page from Trevor it has pics of the four types of pins. Early bushing style, early bearing, late bearing, abs

http://www.rovahfarm.com/defenderaxlesandsuspension.htm
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