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Old February 6th, 2014, 09:09 PM
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Onboard air ideas/not locker related

Hello everyone. I'm getting my truck more trailworthy, and I'm looking to add an Onboard air setup. I'm running a Detroit rear so I don't need to supply my locker. I'm curious as to what you all are using and where stuff is stored. Thanks.
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Old February 6th, 2014, 09:15 PM
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There are a lot of great options out there. Do you intend to use it for tire inflation, or do you plan to run air tools as well?
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Old February 6th, 2014, 09:35 PM
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Good call Ash.


I think air tools are not on a lot of people's minds when thinking about on board air. They should be, it's a HUGE benefit. Get sized up accordingly!
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Old February 6th, 2014, 09:42 PM
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Old February 6th, 2014, 09:52 PM
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Old February 6th, 2014, 10:07 PM
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Talk to jefhuf (LeloFab). Let's just say his onboard air is the things dreams are made of. It's like an octopus with the tentacles going to each tire, and it airs up 34-35" tires in like 2 minutes. I said *tentacles*.
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Old February 6th, 2014, 10:27 PM
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I'm a belt and suspenders kinda guy; like Pedro...or Tony. Meaning I have both an air compressor (under driver's seat of my D1; tank is tucked into the frame under truck) and a powertank. Have found myself in situations where both are used and it was nice to have the redundancy.

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Old February 6th, 2014, 11:14 PM
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A neat way to go is the 3 gallon eas tank off a range rover classic plumbed to a 12v compressor or two.

Huffs York with manifold and 4 airlines is bad ass if you have the room under the hood.

I wimped and went with a 20lb co2 bottle. I use it for the impact regularly, even dried out an ecu in the dark @ Rausch Creek with it once
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Huff is his own pit crew able to change axles in a 20 minute flurry, his trail repairs are legend....dary....lol!

You may not need that kind of advanced set up. Lots of threads for ideas. I have a viair550c (NLA) plumbed to an eas tank mounted along the frame. The compressor is tucked up into the rear passenger wheel well. I have a quick connect for a hose behind the passenger seat and it supplies both lockers. All of the air components are in the under seat cubby.

I'm going to switch it out for the 400c as it's more weather resistant then rebuilt it for a spare this year.
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Old February 6th, 2014, 11:58 PM
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A converted A/C compressor and a LWB air tank and your golden. Also allows you to run ridiculous air horns.

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Old February 7th, 2014, 12:05 AM
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It's hard to beat a York compressor. High volume, reliable air. You can find them for cheap in many 1970s-1980s era cars at the Pick-n-Pull or you can buy a nice, shiny, rebuilt model from Kilby or on eBay. Tire inflation, air tools, dust removal, and so much more.

I love this photo of Defender Source user sheki, whipping cream with his York and a Snap-on die grinder.

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Old February 7th, 2014, 07:43 AM
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I have this setup in my 96' disco and it works really well. But don't be fooled into thinking it's going to be a cheap project just because you can get the York for a bargain. Plan on spending 4 or 500 by the time you get done tweaking everything. Some of the little stuff you are going to have to break down and buy from Kilby. And I would spend the money for high end poly tubing and push fittings from fastenal or the like because if you are like me you are going to need to switch stuff around as you perfect the system. It is much easier to work on stuff when you just have to push the collar and pull out your air lines to get them out of the way.

I found a step by step guide that was on pirate or one of the forums with 4x4 in the title that was pretty good. The only thing I never got right was using a old bike gear lever as an under the hood throttle control. By that point I had been fiddling with it for a year or so and was spent on that project.

Eventually I plan to build a super version of the system for my Duramax with a 60 gallon tank hidden in a truck box.

My advice would be if you actually want to get to use the system rather than just build it would be to break down and buy the Kilby kit and have a shop fab the mounting bracket. Saves a lot of time and only about 30% more money by my calculations.
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I run C02.

First off, the key is to have a reliable local source of C02. Fortunately I have a place here local to my office. Take off during lunch, go over there, $10 to fill my 10lb tank, good to go.

If you do not have this kind of convenience, then do not get a C02 tank. However with the growing popularity of home brew and keggerators, they are becoming more and more common.

Avoid Air Liquide and welder places as they typically only want to do tank exchanges. However if you build your own C02 system, you can get in on a tank exchange system with them which is extremely convenient. However if you like pretty tanks and crap, then you will be disappointed because their tanks are crappy heavy steel nasty tanks.

Second, get gauges. Yes they are more expensive but they can tell you what is going on inside your tank. For me, a fresh tank will be at ~2,000 psi. Within a few uses, its down to 1,500 psi. Then it stays there forever. Then it drops to 1,000 psi. Once again, stays there for a while. At 500 psi, I've pretty much got 2 uses left in it. So as you can see, with the gauges, you know when you are about to run out.

C02 is super handy as I can throw it in the back of just about any vehicle and go. Need to help a friend with a flat? Throw the tank in the back of the sedan. When I went to the beach in my dad's Yukon, I put the tank in the back. No messing with wires, etc. Just put it in the back. Was convenient. Also when you are stuck in a stupid long line of vehicles and the guy in the front needs air, just pull it out of the back of the truck and go. Same when helping others air up. Putting tires back on the bead is very easy with C02 and a ratchet strap.

Now the last time I wheeled, a guy had a Puma 12v air compressor and tank. He just got it so it wasn't hard wired to his truck. That said, I was extremely impressed with it. Considering the price, its not too bad. Basically filled up 8 33x12.50 tires in quick time...and that is with the 2.5 (or 5 gallon, whatever) tank empty at the beginning. If you were to separate the air compressor from the tank and hard wire everything, then it would be far more efficient.

X2 on york compressors. Friggen awesome units. I personally like the Oasis version which is basically a York hooked up to an electric motor. I'm sure you could conjure your own version that doesn't cost a friggen arm and a leg. Seems like all of my jeep friends who installed it onto their engines never got it to work right or whatever. However when they did work, changing out axle shafts with an impact was pretty friggen awesome.

The MV-50 is a giant POS. Its $60...you get what you pay for. Now that said, you can always take it back and warranty it. However that doesn't help you when its 9pm at night and you are trying to air up...and wolves show up.

Overall I'm pro C02 because mine just works. I know when its going down and before a trip if I need to hop over and get it filled, I can do so on my lunch break. Except for that Puma air compressor, seems like all of my friends who have gone with a cheap air compressor setup end up using my C02 tank. Also these are typically small tires, 235/85, etc. If you start getting into 35s and 37s, well then you will know something.

I apologize for my incoherent rambling. Please feel free to completely disregard.
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Another vote for a York 210 here. It's basically like attaching an oil-lubricated shop compressor to your engine. It will fill a 3 gallon tank to 140psi in 45 seconds.
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Another vote for a York 210 here. It's basically like attaching an oil-lubricated shop compressor to your engine. It will fill a 3 gallon tank to 140psi in 45 seconds.
Ed, which stroke did you end up selecting?
Long Stroke = 10.3 ci (169 cc)
Medium Stroke = 8.69 ci (142 cc)
Short Stroke = 6.10 ci (100 cc)
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Old February 7th, 2014, 10:13 AM
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You want the long stroke. It has the most capacity and they are the same size on the outside. I fill two tires at once and it takes about 30 seconds.
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Ed, which stroke did you end up selecting?
Long Stroke = 10.3 ci (169 cc)
Medium Stroke = 8.69 ci (142 cc)
Short Stroke = 6.10 ci (100 cc)
I chose the York 210, which is the Long Stroke unit I believe the medium stroke is the 209 and the short stroke is the 206.
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I chose the York 210, which is the Long Stroke unit I believe the medium stroke is the 209 and the short stroke is the 206.
Did you score it on eBay?

I've got to redo my onboard air....my compressor crapped out & need to replumb and put in new tank. Will be hopefully getting around to it this spring.
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Old February 7th, 2014, 10:30 AM
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