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I have not had an oil line failure and am on original lines 37 24.03%
I have not had an oil line failure and I replaced my lines 83 53.90%
I had an oil line failure, but the truck did not catch fire 21 13.64%
I had an oil line failure and the truck caught fire and I put it out or it burned 13 8.44%
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 05:44 PM
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White 94-replaced w/SS around 50K
Green 94-lines burst no fire, replaced w/ new OEM around 95K (wife was driving, had it been me the truck would have burned to the ground)
Green 97- stock lines at 40K
Red 94-stock lines, new owner replaced w/SS before 100K
Red 97-stock lines at 150K no issues,
White 93 110-got fire insurance when I bought it and before it shipped, wouldn't let rollback driver start it up at my house until I changed the lines to SS...well slight exaggeration. Lines changed at 117K.
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Old June 5th, 2009, 02:57 PM
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Purchased truck at about 100,000 miles almost 2 years ago. Drove it from MD to WI. Learned of problem and replaced lines with braided ss at about 101,000. No leaks, no fires, no problems. Whew!
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Old June 6th, 2009, 06:18 PM
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Where did you all buy the ss upgrade parts and how much where they?
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Old June 7th, 2009, 01:29 AM
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ECR - about $300 for the set (still not on yet though)
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Old June 8th, 2009, 11:20 AM
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Where did you all buy the ss upgrade parts and how much where they?
Ken Loyd ~$90 (lines + adaptors) + new thermostatic sandwidh plate (~$90).
If I had to do it again, I'd go a cheaper route (which I'm taking with the disco): ~$50 (?) for simple adaptors to fit over the steel tubes and some compression fittings and I plan on replacing the lines every 50K miles (PTSchram's team sold that kit on DiscoWeb a few weeks ago.... Hum.... that reminds me that I still have not shipped the 2nd set I received! USPS messed up, they stood up and resent me one, but... I still have both kit ).
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Old June 8th, 2009, 09:11 PM
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165,000 miles. No failure/no fire but HOLY CRAP! Glad I saw this tread. My 95 SW has not been upgraded and the lines are about a three finger's width from the manifold. I just got the truck in Feb. and it looks like the lines have been changed recently. Is there anything tricky about swapping these out? I need to call ECR tomorrow and get these parts headed this way.
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Old June 8th, 2009, 09:18 PM
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Ive read in past posts that 97s rarely have these issues. Any thoughts on this? If i had an extra 300 bucks to get this done, i would, though thats cheaper than replacing the truck
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Old June 8th, 2009, 11:21 PM
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DG rodgers, if your are newer, i would just sleeve them in fire resistant sheething and keep a fire extinguisher handy. Bennett, I think 1997s fail less frequently, but they are still an issue.
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Old June 9th, 2009, 10:11 AM
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No option for removal? No fire but had read the threads about it. I bought a replacement OEM set but decided after reading (Rob's?) post about removal, I just removed the lines and sandwich plate.

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Old June 9th, 2009, 10:45 AM
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\I just removed the lines and sandwich plate.
Does the oil filter seat correctly with no sandwich plate? I know that this was not leaking and I ran it like this for ~6 months of so (few miles), but when I screwed the filter on, it did not seem like the surface was flat enough. Anyway, removing the lines all together is definitely an option (on 93-95 V8 NAS Defenders). I'm still unsure why they had this design in the first place (read: no thermostatic plate) which seems counter intuitive.

BTW, for those of you who have experience fire or near-fire, I recommend you go to the NHTSA web site to report the problem, take about 15 minutes: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm

I did it, but the key is that "all reports are reviewed and analyzed for potential defects trends. " (read: a few reports are not enough, we need more).
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Old June 9th, 2009, 11:18 AM
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Thanks Ron. Guess ill just bite the bullet.
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Old July 5th, 2009, 04:49 PM
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Did you purchase the cheaper parts from "Ken Loyd"?

I was unable to find that retailer.

I'd rather go the cheaper route. Don't need or want fancy anodized parts that will never see the light of day (and have to pay extra for it).



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Ken Loyd ~$90 (lines + adaptors) + new thermostatic sandwidh plate (~$90).
If I had to do it again, I'd go a cheaper route (which I'm taking with the disco): ~$50 (?) for simple adaptors to fit over the steel tubes and some compression fittings and I plan on replacing the lines every 50K miles (PTSchram's team sold that kit on DiscoWeb a few weeks ago.... Hum.... that reminds me that I still have not shipped the 2nd set I received! USPS messed up, they stood up and resent me one, but... I still have both kit ).
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Old July 5th, 2009, 09:42 PM
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Ken is just a board member (loykd). Another option is remove your lines and get a hydraulic shopt to rebuild them - it should be even cheaper.

If you really want cheap, then remove the sandwich plate (search the forums for this and every other option tried).

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Old July 6th, 2009, 09:31 AM
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Hum.... I must be getting old...... I leave the message below, but this is pretty much a repeat of a msg above.
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The next step up from "cheap" is to replace the hoses by other rubber hoses and plan on replacing them regularly (i.e. keep the metal tubes) every 50K miles(?). PTSchram on discoweb offers a kit (not cheap not expensive, but peace of mind ~$50 with shipping IIRC if you need more details of what's in the box, let me know, I'll take a shot of it). This is what I'll do on my disco, also makes it very easy for a trail/road-side fix if you ever need one. I'd still recommend to sleeve those tubes so you are sure that oil can't fly out when/if they burst.
Well, if you plan on buying that kit, let me know since I have still to return the extra one I received.
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Old July 6th, 2009, 12:38 PM
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Where is the best place to get new lines?
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Old July 6th, 2009, 01:05 PM
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Where is the best place to get new lines?
I got mine from Eric at Trailhead 4x4.. He was helpful in identifying what I needed and shipped the kit the same day...
http://trailhead4x4.com/index2.html
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Old July 6th, 2009, 10:16 PM
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Where is the best place to get new lines?
Which option do you want to go for?
- replace with OEM
- replace just the rubber portion to make it easy to service
- replace just the rubber portion with stainless steel braided rubber lines
- replace OEM setup with new sandwich plate + new stainless steel lines
- etc
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Old July 7th, 2009, 10:44 AM
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Whatever the best fix will be over time
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Old July 12th, 2009, 01:41 PM
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One customer had a fire that was smallish- no signifigant damage. All of my customers are gettting a 1" silicone fire sleeve over the original lines. My train of thought: 1) if one were to have another failure, the sleeve would route the fluid away from the hot manifold- I would think a failure is likely to occur where the hose arcs away from the manifold, under "stress" and exposed to heat, and 2) if another failure occured, especially far from home, replacement hoses could be sourced relatively easily. Of course, a trailside fix would be to remove the adaptor and refit the oil filter without the cooler in line!
I had seen a company that made heat shrink hose clamps- used on big semis maybe?-anybody have any experience with that product?
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Old July 12th, 2009, 02:19 PM
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Is the 300tdi engine running the same risk as the NAS V8's in regards to having the oil cooler lines catching fire? I was trying to determine if I needed an upgrade and it appears that they cables are routed differently on the 300tdi engine. If someone has pictures to post of a 300tdi oil cooler line upgrade that would be very helpful.
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