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Old May 22nd, 2009, 08:41 AM
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Not thinking right - '95 SWB or '96 4.6 - Ahh

Looking to buy first car for my son...yes, he is a RR nutcase. Will be used as daily driver in Colorado foothills, highcountry...offroad.

Similar price:

'95 unusally good condition, 140Kmiles, maintained - original T-case & Tranny, heater core...
'96 43K miles, 4.6 - like new.

No question on the "cool factor" - go classic (Son wants this one hands down)
Comfort, safety, drivability - go p38

Go ahead and give me greif as my head is about to explode anyway...note that I have owned a '91, '95, (340K combined miles) never a p38 (brother has one), and currently own a D-90, '99 series II, '08 HSE

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Old May 22nd, 2009, 08:50 AM
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...you have no interest in that '95 SWB...forward all appropriate contact information to me......
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 08:51 AM
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That is a tough choice... On the 95, the heater core is always a pain in the A**, when it finally goes. A low mile 96, will have it's own set of issues. These trucks prefer to be driven.

That is a very tough choice.

I would try and find him an inexpensive Defender, maybe even an import. That way he will get the $ back out of it, if he decides to sell it.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 08:54 AM
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buy RRC as first car.. much easier to work on... yeah the heater core is a bitch, but it's doable.. the P38 has a ton of things that can go wrong... also, if its what he wants, it'll make him happier.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 09:03 AM
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been there-done that - heater core

both under $6 k, not in the defender price range...

Nice try Keith...oh by the way, I'll PM you a map where to find it...private seller, not listed.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 10:32 AM
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how much is the 95? I mean, if the 95 is 2k, and the 96 is 5k, then it's a no brainer... but if the 95 is selling for 5k, i'd go with the P38...
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 10:35 AM
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the early p38a's are a nightmare. Classic all the way. Is the heater core in the same place on a '95 as the earlier dash configuration?
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 10:52 AM
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RRC vs. P38

Go with the Classic. 95 RRC are holding value, especialy the SWB. I've seen really nice SWB '95 RRCs going for over $10k.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 11:06 AM
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heater cores - remove entire dash...took me all day!

'95 is 5K +/- lots of miles, interior is one of the best I've ever seen. Only drivers seat is worn, typical cracked wood, no chips; no rust including original hatch lid. Unmolested, no guards, chrome bumper...stock except 2" lift.

p38: note that I can/do repair most anything, including electrical, except that I always seem to get frustrated getting the ABS, hill decent, etc lights to go off...(sensors, pumps,). The p38 is listed on Autotrader out of Houston $6,800 asking.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 11:13 AM
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I'd say go for the 95 SWB, had a 95 LWB. simple to work on, parts are cheap(relatively), and learned everything of that truck.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 11:44 AM
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Yeah, this is a hard one. Like your son I was obsessed with the RR when in highschool as well...the itch never goes away either. The classic is...classic. The styling ques on the 96 were OK, but definitely not as good as the 95 SWB and LWB. The 95 was of course the best classic with the updated interior, etc. Has the 96 been converted to coil or does it still have the adjustable suspension still? Is it the 4.6HSE or 4.6SE? I'm partial to p38s, but I still love the styling of the Classic.

Final answer: If you're not concerned with the maintenance of either, I'd go with your son's passion for the Classic as it's something he'll appreciate more, will care for, and will be proud of.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 02:00 PM
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well said...thanks to all, Nick will enjoy reading after school today, knowing that tomorrow will be very exciting...
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 02:01 PM
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I'd go RRC. That's what he wants - just make sure he has to do the heater core job if and when it goes.

From what I've read in the UK publications and from what a couple of owners have told me, the P38's are nightmares. The RRC, seem to have their issues too, but the owners always seem stoked on them.

Not to mention a 90 and a RRC with some kit will look sooo nice in the driveway
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 02:19 PM
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95 SWB without any doubt or hesitation.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 03:55 PM
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I have had them both and there is no way I'd buy another P38.
The electronics can drive you crazy and you need special software to reset and diagnose.
The P38's price continues to crash and Classics are rising.
The RR IIIs are much better than the P38s and as their prices fall they will become a reasonable choice for buyers. The P38 will be the Edsel of the line.
I've owned 7 RR Classics and if I had room I'll still have one. I didn't worry about fixing or having it fixed. With the P38, I was always waiting for the next problem to crop up and I knew it meant a visit to a dealer since the best non-dealer LR mechanic in Portland didn't want to work on them.
Your son is right. BTW I'm 66 years old, so it isn't a case of youth siding with youth.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 11:10 PM
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I'm with the majority- Classic all the way. As others have said, the early P38's can be a nightmare of expensive to fix electrical complexity and their value continues to plunge. The '95's however, are holding their value well and are just all-around great trucks.

The fact that several of us here (myself included) would love to own a '95 SWB Classic should tell you something. What exactly I'm not sure but something ;0)

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Old May 22nd, 2009, 11:20 PM
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Vote 2 on the defender. buy the toasty one from the misc chit chat, ROn was saying he'd give 5k
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Old May 23rd, 2009, 01:03 AM
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I think it is really six of one, half dozen of the other. They each have their problems. The P38's are not as bad as some people have said. I have owned four of them and love them. They are easy to work on and don't have many problems. They have a few that are persistent, but its not often that you come across strange/difficult to diagnose problems. Its usually the same couple of things that break.

Bottom line, get what he prefers and put the money saved toward some future repair that you aren't in the mood to tackle.
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Old May 23rd, 2009, 08:36 PM
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Buy the Classic. A Heater core in a 1995 classic with the soft dash is way easier than the older cars...it's like a Disco. Early P38s can be a huge headache....the BeCM is not your friend.
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Old May 23rd, 2009, 08:44 PM
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Never had a P38, but I rue the day I sold my 95 SWB. Shoulda never sold it. We still miss it and that was four years ago! I'm sure I'll get another once the MKIII craps itself and the warranty runs out. It'll be a Epsom Green 95 SWB this time...
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