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Old May 8th, 2009, 11:53 AM
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Left chicky out in the rain with a surray top on (lotus has her spot in the garage for the motor swap) and now she is mad and won't start.



I am guessing it is just water in the cap, but I did not have time to mess with it so I took the lwb. Diag update tonight with pictures so every can walk through the procedure when it happens to them.
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Old May 8th, 2009, 01:05 PM
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Unless you are running her without a bonnet (didn't want to confuse the issue with "hood") wouldn't it be more likely the ECU got wet rather than an engine compartment?
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Old May 8th, 2009, 01:26 PM
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ECU was dry, I checked. It was really hard rain with large temp swings so I am thinking condensation.
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Old May 8th, 2009, 02:31 PM
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Did you check the fuse block?
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Old May 8th, 2009, 03:08 PM
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I had 30 seconds as I was already late for work. I made sure there was not a pool in the passenger side seat box and that was all I did. Tonight, she runs again. knock on wood.
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Old May 8th, 2009, 03:22 PM
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If the weather is anything like it is here today it will dry out and just work again. But if so, please promise to spray it heavily with a garden hose until it fails to start again so we can get the diagnosis
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Old May 8th, 2009, 03:42 PM
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Oh, of course. She does not yet have all of the evilfij tricks (ie diaelectric grease on everything, Hylomar sealing the cap, the special coil wire with the boot etc.). She did come with the ignition module relocation kit and had a new cap/rotor/plugs/wires as of about 10k ago.
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Old May 8th, 2009, 11:17 PM
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New computer, new silver relays, new coil wire. Zip. Tried to catch at first, but toward the end, nothing. But, I think I flooded trying to start it. Left the computer disconnected and will try again in the am. Next is a new coil.

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Went out, it started right up and then died in 10 seconds. Got it started again and it died in 5 seconds.

Going to replace the cap, but some how I don't have a new one. I will have to order a six pack and six pack of rotors too.
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Old May 9th, 2009, 03:04 AM
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Ron can you point me to this on the I-Net as to where to source.
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Old May 9th, 2009, 07:27 AM
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Ron, every time my 95 D-90 would not start after washing the engine bay, it was moisture in the connectors associated with ignition amplifier module. And, of course every time I am rummaging around over there, it seems like one of the wires comes off the coil. I'd check your module. Also, I do carry a spare module everywhere!
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Old May 9th, 2009, 09:34 AM
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Yeah mine doesn't like getting the engine power washed and I *think* the coil is the thing most affected. I usually just spray any electronics with wire-dry or wd-40 and it solves it.
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Ron can you point me to this on the I-Net as to where to source.
Source what?

Now I am stumped. It starts and runs for 10 seconds and then dies. It does this whether I let it idle or whether I rev it up. Then it does nothing unless I let it sit a while, then it starts and runs for 10 secs and dies again. It does this with the MAF disconnected or connected. CEL comes on and goes off as it is supposed to. When you first turn on the key, you hear the fuel pump running.

I sometimes hear a funny clicking noise in the dash on the passenger side, but I am not sure what it is.

New Parts I just put on to try to fix:

plug wires (genuine inc coil wire)
fuel filter (genuine)
silver relays (bosch)

Known good used parts:
cap
rotor
computer

It feels like it runs out of fuel or spark after 10 seconds. Now sure what is going on. Any ideas? It is pissing me off now, at first it was entertaining, now it is annoying.

Ron

PS where is the key in ignition buzzer as I am going to rip it out.
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coolant temp sensor gone bad maybe? Try disconnecting the plug to it and see if it will run.
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Have you pulled out and reset the GFI (aka the fuel pump cutoff thingamagiggy)

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I am suspect of this part but I don't have a spare. What do you mean pull out and reset?

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coolant temp sensor gone bad maybe? Try disconnecting the plug to it and see if it will run.
Tried that. forgot to mention it.
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Ya, that is fine. I checked it and took it apart to be sure.


So, here is what happens. It starts, runs fine for between 5 sec and a minute and then dies. If I try to restart right away, nothing. If I wait, it does it again.

I am down to fuel pump or a short in the wiring to the injectors/ECU/relay.

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long shot but is there any water between the two pieces fo the ecm plug?

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Ya, that is fine. I checked it and took it apart to be sure.


So, here is what happens. It starts, runs fine for between 5 sec and a minute and then dies. If I try to restart right away, nothing. If I wait, it does it again.

I am down to fuel pump or a short in the wiring to the injectors/ECU/relay.

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So did you put a new coil on?
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long shot but is there any water between the two pieces fo the ecm plug?
Nope.

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So did you put a new coil on?
Yup.
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Old May 11th, 2009, 10:59 AM
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just to be clear I don't mean between the plug and the port on the ecu, but actually remove the two screws and then take the back cover off the plug to where you can see where the wires come out. apologies if you already got that.

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long shot but is there any water between the two pieces fo the ecm plug?
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Old May 11th, 2009, 12:28 PM
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just to be clear I don't mean between the plug and the port on the ecu, but actually remove the two screws and then take the back cover off the plug to where you can see where the wires come out. apologies if you already got that.
Will check tonight.

Could a bad ballast resistor next to the coil cause this?

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Frank is making a house call tomorrow night.

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