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Old February 12th, 2013, 01:40 PM
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No Joy Disco Starting

'96 Disco. I turn the key, the dash lights come on, and all I get is nothing. I can't tell if the solenoid is clicking or not. Supposedly the starter was replaced last month with a used one.

I will add that the no-start issue is extremely sporadic and not tied to being cold or hot. Sometimes there will be a split-second delay before the starter triggers. I have already replaced the battery ground and cleaned the connections, battery tests good.

Does the D1 have any other gizmos that affect cranking, like a relay? Could the crank position sensor be a culprit or does that only affect actual starting?

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Old February 12th, 2013, 01:41 PM
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Look at the terminal on the starter could be loose.
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Old February 12th, 2013, 01:45 PM
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Look at the terminal on the starter could be loose.
Did that, it's beuno.
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Old February 12th, 2013, 01:53 PM
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Good.. crank sensor will affect starting not cranking. You replaced the starter with a used unit could be that. There shouldn't be anything else in line causing issues.. Usually the ignition switch holds up quite well.. I know you cleaned the contacts, did you take a look at the small trigger wire on the starter relay, beyond just the terminal, they corrode and can cause lazy starting.

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Old February 12th, 2013, 01:57 PM
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I had a similar issue on my 97 D90 about two years ago and it ended up just being the main ground to the block right by the starter. A little corrosion had built up between the cable and the connection, and then during a big rain storm it was pushed over the no-go line. I shut it off at a restaurant and came out to a dead car.

After getting it towed home that night, I spent the next day checking the obvious list of possible stuff, and eventually all it took was loosening, jiggling the connections down there, and retightening it all up. It then fired right up without issue. I went back and cleaned up the connection and have never had a problem since. Hopefully it'll be this simple for you as well, but without the wasted troubleshooting I dealt with!

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Good.. crank sensor will affect starting not cranking. You replaced the starter with a used unit could be that. There shouldn't be anything else in line causing issues.. Usually the ignition switch holds up quite well.. I know you cleaned the contacts, did you take a look at the small trigger wire on the starter relay, beyond just the terminal, they corrode and can cause lazy starting.

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I just got the truck and was told the starter was replaced with a used one - not sure why someone would go through the trouble and not put in a new one considering they arn't expensive...

I'll check that wire.

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Old February 12th, 2013, 03:09 PM
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I just got the truck and was told the starter was replaced with a used one - not sure why someone would go through the trouble and not put in a new one considering they arn't expensive...

I'll check that wire.

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Used starters are $30, new ones are $200. That's why. And starters take about five minutes to swap once you remove that pesky heat shield and install normal hex head bolts.
Have you bench tested the starter?
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Old February 12th, 2013, 06:30 PM
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Used starters are $30, new ones are $200. That's why. And starters take about five minutes to swap once you remove that pesky heat shield and install normal hex head bolts.
Have you bench tested the starter?
New starters are $150, rebuilt are $110. For something as critical as a starter it seems like a dumb thing to try and save $$ on.

I'll bet you a case of beer you can't change a starter in 5 minutes. And doing it on a muddy trail sounds like even more fun.
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If the starter is OK (have you tried to test it yet?) it could be the ignition switch. Turn the key to the on position, and use a jumper wire to engage the solenoid using power from the terminal where the positive cable attaches.

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Old February 13th, 2013, 11:36 AM
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Old February 13th, 2013, 12:17 PM
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It seems to be pretty intermittent. For the most part it won't start on the first turn of the key, but will on the second. I can hear what I think is the starter solenoid clicking.

Does this sound like an ignition switch issue?

I do still need to crawl under the truck again and double check the starter ground...
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Old February 13th, 2013, 01:37 PM
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Honestly it sounds like the starter, even of the solenoid clicks the contacts inside could be junk, or the brushes are going away.

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Honestly it sounds like the starter, even of the solenoid clicks the contacts inside could be junk, or the brushes are going away.

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This still has me baffled as it appears to be ignition switch related. It's still intermittent, but today most of the time it wouldn't start on the first key turn, and it appears that putting it in neutral helps.

The SRS light is on if that even remotely has anything to do with it.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 07:02 PM
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check switch that detects park......been there done that...easy fix.
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Where is located? In the console itself?
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So after a short period of no issues, something finally died. The truck no longer starts and all I get is the audible click of the solenoid. I tried jumping it just in case, but that didn't work. Tried it in N as well, and rolling the truck back and forth.

When everything was working, I would turn the key and hold it for what seems a split second longer than usual and the starter would turn.

I did run a secondary ground and replaced the main ground.

Starter has not been pulled and tested, but that is next. Any other ideas?
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Old March 21st, 2013, 09:05 AM
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Every once in a great while, mine does this. It seems like I turn the key to position 2, dash lights up and chime goes off...then wait for a couple of seconds....there is a click and fuel pump runs..then turn to start position. It will not start if I jump in...turn the key to start right away. I guess it has to think if about if it wants to run today or not. If you need a hand with it give a call....
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You did not say if you tried to put 12V directly to the starter (your have two wires to the starter: thick 12V permanent + smaller trigger 12V coming through ignition, park, etc; put 12V directly on the smaller trigger pole). You should be able to do that without taking anything apart.
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