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Old February 10th, 2016, 01:54 PM
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New EPA "rules" soon to effect a new class

Well since our congress years ago handed over their responsibility to make law by allowing agencies to make and enforce "RULES", another infringement on our freedoms may soon become an enforceable "rule". The 2nd civil war will be much worse than the 1st.

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We continue to race down the road to serfdom - just not in any type of modified race car.
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If this was a Ferrari club racing forum or the latest litre bike forum ide be worried but I dont think many of us would take a Land Rover to the race track! Hehehehehe

Besides, there is already and will be a larger choice of high flow cats on the market to battle this. You can still combat it with add ons like turbo / super chargers, porting, headers etc..... the list goes on and on!
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It's gateway legislation, and it will just push harder and farther the more it's accepted.

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The 2nd civil war will be much worse than the 1st.
No truer words. But I think you mean "Revolution." We won't be fighting each other.
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If this was a Ferrari club racing forum or the latest litre bike forum ide be worried but I dont think many of us would take a Land Rover to the race track! Hehehehehe

Besides, there is already and will be a larger choice of high flow cats on the market to battle this. You can still combat it with add ons like turbo / super chargers, porting, headers etc..... the list goes on and on!
Someone please post what's-his-face's thread when he took his NAS 110 out on the track for the quarter mile and won his class.
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Hehehehehe
The damn thing has the aerodynamics of a shed & a calender is better suited to time the 1/4 mile! Lol..
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Only 1 commentator, D90Overkill, here gets the real issue. This is not about "racing" your Defender !

This article is about doing any change to any engine that is beyond stock from what the EPA "approved" of when the vehicle left the factory.

Obviously few here only 1 understands reading comprehension, analysis and subsequent application to the their own situation.
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I wonder if they plan on making this law retro active or if they will have a grandfather date.
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Only 1 commentator, D90Overkill, here gets the real issue. This is not about "racing" your Defender !

This article is about doing any change to any engine that is beyond stock from what the EPA "approved" of when the vehicle left the factory.

Obviously few here only 1 understands reading comprehension, analysis and subsequent application to the their own situation.
I guess you missed my "Road To Serfdom" comment.

------ Follow up post added February 11th, 2016 03:47 AM ------

Unfortunately the author (or you) doesn't get it either. This issue is, however, about central planning and empowering the state over the individual.
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Only 1 commentator, D90Overkill, here gets the real issue. This is not about "racing" your Defender !

This article is about doing any change to any engine that is beyond stock from what the EPA "approved" of when the vehicle left the factory.

Obviously few here only 1 understands reading comprehension, analysis and subsequent application to the their own situation.
There is a reading comprehension issue here, but you should count yourself among the reading disabled. Have a look at the proposed rule and identify what has really changed.
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Lmao.... thats funny.
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There is a reading comprehension issue here, but you should count yourself among the reading disabled. Have a look at the proposed rule and identify what has really changed.
------ Follow up post added February 11th, 2016 12:46 PM ------

You are wrong! Its very easy and extremely bad form to "correct" someone without actually correcting them!

If this goes through, it will be ILLEGAL to sell aftermarket parts for any motor vehicle with a VIN that would alter the emissions. It would effect just about anything that would potentially increase engine performance. Exhausts without cats, non-OEM cams, non-OEM pistons, ECU flashes etc..would be illegal to sell hence my "racing" comment"!


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Only 1 commentator, D90Overkill, here gets the real issue. This is not about "racing" your Defender !

This article is about doing any change to any engine that is beyond stock from what the EPA "approved" of when the vehicle left the factory.

Obviously few here only 1 understands reading comprehension, analysis and subsequent application to the their own situation.
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The problem is, as we've seen so many times before, the Guberment will interpret these "laws" however they want, and our modified Defenders will fall under these rules soon enough.

Oh, and I do enjoy going to the races. This would suck.
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If this goes through, it will be ILLEGAL to sell aftermarket parts for any motor vehicle with a VIN that would alter the emissions. It would effect just about anything that would potentially increase engine performance. Exhausts without cats, non-OEM cams, non-OEM pistons, ECU flashes etc..would be illegal to sell hence my "racing" comment"!
Name one available legal aftermarket part for on road use that alters emissions.
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Name one available legal aftermarket part for on road use that alters emissions.
So Oscar, are you advocating for further intrusion by the state (Fed Gov't) into how we (free private citizens) can alter an off road vehicle (ORV)? Or am I just not pickin' up what you are puttin' down?
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Sigh..........EPA Banning Road to Racecar Conversions? : snopes.com
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Daddymow, are you implying that blackfield's understanding of federal law is somehow a personal attack against you or your personal liberties? There is such a thing as objective reality, correct?

Where does "advocating further intrusion" come in? As far as I can tell, that was something you fabricated, not what blackfield stated at all.
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