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Old June 8th, 2015, 07:49 PM
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Mythical 110 pickup suspension advice

For the sake of discussion, picture a 110 pickup with a near 50/50 weight distribution front to rear and side to side. If you wanted a stock ride height and level stance, what springs would you get? Oh and it's a mall crawler that will never carry any real load or go offroad.

This is actually for my EV project which has a 110 frame and RRC axles, so on the front I need to get shocks that fit forward of the springs, but basically the same question here - what shocks would you get?

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Old June 8th, 2015, 08:13 PM
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I would think that springs are more the question than the shocks. What engine are you running? A med spring on the front and a soft spring on the rear might get you equal. You may have to play with springs or add thin spacers?
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I Would worry about messing with differing spring rates for a road vehicle. I'm trying to imagine what a soft suspension in the back on an unladen "pickup" would do. Probably nothing horrible.

All things considered, if you're looking at ride height/leveling as your primary goal. Keep the original springs or go all the way around with softer springs and air bag it. OR, simply space out the low side.
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Stock springs front and rear, add a 2" spacer to the front to level it- factory ride, look you're after, and minimal cost.
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Old June 8th, 2015, 09:08 PM
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Stock springs front and rear, add a 2" spacer to the front to level it- factory ride, look you're after, and minimal cost.
What he said...

This is the standard "jeep leveling kit". After a year or so they get a rake to them. Especially the non rubis.
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Stock springs front and rear, add a 2" spacer to the front to level it- factory ride, look you're after, and minimal cost.
Thats what I was thinking although I expect the opposite - the front to sit high. Do stock springs differ between a pickup model versus a station wagon?

Minimal cost meets my goal too, because I plan to switch to air bags once it's a running concern.

Any thoughts on brands? As petty as it sounds I'd like them to be black. OME?

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I think your best bet is to build it with whatever temporary springs you've got, and when its done, weigh it.
Well, this was the original plan. I did mock up the better weight and weighed it with scales under each wheel. Like I said, a near perfect 50/50 weight distribution and about 3500 lbs total.

I don't know what the weight distribution is on a stock 110 or 109, but my 88" is 60/40

Anyway, the plan was to put some old springs I have under it until I could see how it sat and adjust from there but ran into two issues

1. I can't being myself to let rusty parts touch my galvy
2. I don't know what the springs I have are, which makes them a really crappy reference point

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Not sure what you mean by shocks forward of springs.
Front or rear?
Front. It's an RRC suspension and axles, so think RRC up front.

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The rears shocks are in the same location 110 vs RRC. You will want to get spring seats for the larger 110 rear springs though.
Yup, have that. galvied too!

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The front shocks are also the same, but if you want to run them outside of the spring, or run duals then custom towers or EAS RRC would be needed.

-Jeff
Why can't I run them outside the springs like a stock RRC? EAS is phase 2 so I want to keep them outside the springs.
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Old June 8th, 2015, 09:27 PM
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Just switch to air bags now... whats the diff?

There are different spring rates out there. After some research it looks like there's the civvy, army and hi cap. at least. nevermind other random aftermarket
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At the rate I am going, months (maybe years) difference I pre drilled holes in the frame for the ride height sensors and where I'd want to mount the air tank and pump/valves, and have a complete air bag setup from the donor RRC I got my axles and suspension from, but it will need a complete makeover, and all kinds of work I just don't have time for now. The best approach is to kiss and get it rolling with springs first. The longer I put off buying springs, the more I am going to be tempted to do this though, so need to buy them!

Yes I looked for a while and couldn't see a "light duty" kit. Although everything seemed to be aftermarket and 2" lift type stuff in kit form. I'll see what I can get in terms of stock.
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If your interested I have a set of brand new airbags & D90 spring mounts sitting in my store room going spare.... you'd have to make a couple of new rear top pucks to suit the 110's spring perch... otherwise they should just bolt up.


Also got a pair of front Qt external shock upper mounts going spare too. PM if your interested.
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I would think with the battery weight stock springs would be too light...have you done a weight comparisons yet btw a 4.0 and all your electric crap?
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You can, you just need the EAS towers and then fab up a lower mount.

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I have Qt upper mounts going spare & drawings for the lowers.... just say'in
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Air springs are the way to go. Totally customizable height depending on load.
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Dammit, you guys are supposed to be helping me! PM on it's way Andy.

Briggs, I'm not sure what I'm not conveying here - I have a RRC front axle and the RRC shock towers. I"m going with outboard shocks! No can or if about it. Doing!

Jonesy, I'm lighter than a stock defender.
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I think you're slipping. Yeah dunno about the shocks - i rank up there with Jones in the shock appreciation dept. I assume a set of OME for a RRC (stock height) will do?

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Easy there big fella. You asked the question (and it wasnt very clear at that). What kind of shocks? I like Old Man Emu, some like Bilstein. 6 one way, 1/2 dozen the other.

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I run OMEs up front and I personally think they are on the stiff side. Are there softer shocks around?
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I run OMEs up front and I personally think they are on the stiff side. Are there softer shocks around?
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