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Old February 15th, 2013, 11:59 AM
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Motor Mounts: 200TDI Transplant in 110

I just installed another TDI in a 110. This was our 1983 X-Swiss Fire Brigade 5 door Station Wagon that left the factory with a 2.25 petrol 4 cyl.

After shakedown, swapped the 1.6 LT230 for a 1.22 T-case from a low mileage wrecked Disco I and on the flat easily cruises at 75MPH.

On each 200TDI, we installed, used the standard Rover diesel mounts, but they transfer too much vibration to the rest of the vehicle and on a LHD vehicle like this Swiss 110, we use the 300TDI manifold and turbo, so the down pipe has to be angled back to keep it away from the Left motor mount.

If this was a one off, would think the vibration could be related to this particular engine, but has been the same for about a half dozen or more 200TDI installs. A positive factor coming out of the OM617 Conversions have been the Mercedes motor mounts, that pass little to no vibration to the chassis. The Mercedes mounts are a lot more expensive starting at about $80 each for genuine and about $50 apiece for aftermarket. These are the larger mounts that are hydraulic filled (according to the supplier).

I am of the opinion that it would be worth while to build a motor mount setup utilizing the Mercedes motor mounts to eliminate the vibration. When we put our first OM617 in a 109 and used the Rover rubber motor mounts, the vehicle shook violently all the way to the tropical roof. When we installed the thinner all rubber Mercedes mounts, the vibration was reduced to an acceptable amount. The larger hydraulic filled mounts reduce the vibration even more (than the thinner rubber Mercedes mounts) and the 90 & 110 Mercedes conversion kits use them. There is virtually no vibration passed through these larger Mercedes mounts and there is room for them with the 200TDI. They would bolt right on top of the stock frame mounts and use existing engine bolts, so no cutting, drilling, tapping, or welding.

Am wondering if there is a market for the Mercedes mounts fitted to a 200TDI that we could produce and sell close to cost for people doing a 200TDI conversion?

This could complement the Mercedes Power Steering Pump conversion for the 200TDI as well as the 169 and 200 amp alternator mounting kits.
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Old March 26th, 2013, 12:07 PM
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I have a disco 200tdi in my 110 and would be interested in trying the mercedes motor mounts if it made a big difference. Would your mounts be $50 to $80 also? Could we use the same mounts for the T case? They look the same as the engine mounts.
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Old March 26th, 2013, 12:13 PM
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The problem I see is the wide range of possible combinations... Disco 200TDI / Defender 200TDI / Short bellhousing / Long Bellhousing. Will it fit all the possible combinations?
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Old March 26th, 2013, 01:22 PM
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Maybe I am oversimplifying it but....If the mounts are the same thickness and have the same i.d. for the bolt but better damping properties what do the different combinations matter?
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I know this is an old thread.

I will be putting a 200tdi in my 90 and wanted to see what is required to fit the Mercedes hydro mount.

Robert: you said they are bolt on but did you make mounts to alter the frame side of the mount? if so do you have any sitting around
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Robert, do you have a kit still in the works for installing mercedes mounts on a 200tdi? Thanks
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I'd also be interested in a set
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I am way behind, but hope to get to this in early July, 2015.
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Thanks Robert, put me down for a set, 85 90 200tdi.

Are you happy with aftermarket/oem, or go with genuine mounts?
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Does anyone know of the motor mount brackets for a 2.5NA are the same for a 200Tdi?

Not the motor mounts themselves, the brackets that mount to the engine.

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my recollection is that they are. Don't you have both ?
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Yes. You can check these things in the parts catalogue: Allbrit MG ROVER & Land Rover Ersatzteilkatalog
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my recollection is that they are. Don't you have both ?
The mounts are different. May be because this was out of a Rangie???

I need to fit the 2.5NA mounts, then put the engine in so I can take measurements. Then try and copy Robert's Mercedes mount configuration.
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They are the same for Defenders. Discos and RRs have different mounts.
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I am way behind, but hope to get to this in early July, 2015.
Any update on this? I have cold hard cash in hand that I have nothing better to spend it on than new motor mounts.

Seriously, I am tired of my 200 TDI vibrations and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who would love to fix this problem.
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Any update on this? I have cold hard cash in hand that I have nothing better to spend it on than new motor mounts. Seriously, I am tired of my 200 TDI vibrations and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who would love to fix this problem.
X9! I think I made a mistake and ordered aftermarket mounts and the vibes are ridiculous.
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I was going to swap mine with the 1991 Bronco v6 hydraulic motor mounts

They are cheap as heck and should easily support the weight of a 200tdi


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I was going to swap mine with the 1991 Bronco v6 hydraulic motor mounts

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