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Old December 2nd, 2015, 12:33 PM
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The thing that has scared me away from the 3's and 4's has been the water ingress problems people seem to be having. Just recently I heard from a shop owner in NC that said they actually find sometimes the rear sunroof drip channel tubes were twisted on purpose at the factory by disgruntled factory employees. At a local shop I've seen the cabling under the carpets and the crusty fuses that result in ugly and freaky electrical problems.

Were there changes in any particular year addressing the water ingress through the windshields and sunroof?

Anything else I should be aware of?

The family is pressuring me to move to a different family vehicle. They prefer a 4 over another Suburban. Especially ever since Bobeck rolled up in his RRS all flashy and shit. .
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Old December 2nd, 2015, 12:46 PM
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Since I've got an LR3 that had water ingress problems all I'll say is that it isn't that bad, my cowl was warped and thus water came in through the pollen filter and filled the canal, I mean channel, with the wiring harness on the passenger side. Easily diagnosed b/c of the wet carpet, somewhat easily sorted with a new cowl and a repaired splice that was causing issues.

Could a 3 or 4 suffer from these issues (just like previous Discos suffered from sunroof drain blockages too), of course but given that you know it's an issue I'd suggest just taking the time to pull up the carpets on a prospective vehicle to see if there is any indication of previous water ingress.

All that being said I still think it is a superb platform compared to previous years in terms of drivetrain performance and reliability, not to mention flexibility/utility of a 7 seat semi-luxury vehicle. Don't let the known potential problems outweigh the reality that most of them are good trucks the vast majority of the time.
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Since I've got an LR3 that had water ingress problems all I'll say is that it isn't that bad, my cowl was warped and thus water came in through the pollen filter and filled the canal, I mean channel, with the wiring harness on the passenger side. Easily diagnosed b/c of the wet carpet, somewhat easily sorted with a new cowl and a repaired splice that was causing issues. Could a 3 or 4 suffer from these issues (just like previous Discos suffered from sunroof drain blockages too), of course but given that you know it's an issue I'd suggest just taking the time to pull up the carpets on a prospective vehicle to see if there is any indication of previous water ingress. All that being said I still think it is a superb platform compared to previous years in terms of drivetrain performance and reliability, not to mention flexibility/utility of a 7 seat semi-luxury vehicle. Don't let the known potential problems outweigh the reality that most of them are good trucks the vast majority of the time.
Only a land rover owner would say water ingress issues on a 60k truck aren't that bad. If I had a 20 year old escort that leaked I would be oissed.
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Are LR4s pretty cheap now? Was wondering what type of bath I would take if I sold my 2010 with 65k on it.
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Only a land rover owner would say water ingress issues on a 60k truck aren't that bad. If I had a 20 year old escort that leaked I would be oissed.
I'd be pissed if I had a 20yr old escort too...
...and we can't help but acknowledge that the ever lasting irony of Rovers is that they were made on an island where it rains all the time yet they still leak. That said sunroofs get blocked and plastic warps over time, and they still leak a lot less than a Defender which does so on purpose!
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Just recently I heard from a shop owner in NC that said they actually find sometimes the rear sunroof drip channel tubes were twisted on purpose at the factory by disgruntled factory employees..
That sounds like a load of BS. I also highly doubt an independent shop works on enough LR3's that they have seen many with a twisted sunroof drain.

I haven't dealt with a water leak on an LR3/4 or RRS in a few months probably. They have just a few issues that are all easily remedied.
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I'd be pissed if I had a 20yr old escort too... ...and we can't help but acknowledge that the ever lasting irony of Rovers is that they were made on an island where it rains all the time yet they still leak. That said sunroofs get blocked and plastic warps over time, and they still leak a lot less than a Defender which does so on purpose!
My 18yr old land cruiser is tighter than a frogs ass. And it has a sunroof and rear power vent Windows

I think the true irony is that LR quality is so shit and its customers could care less and will continue to buy them lol
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Are LR4s pretty cheap now? Was wondering what type of bath I would take if I sold my 2010 with 65k on it.
The value seems great. Under 30k miles 2013's for high 30's coming off lease in the NE.
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Have only owned our LR4 since August but we are very pleased with. It's infinitely more comfortable than our old DII. The ride is awesome on the highway and it gets better gas mileage than the DII. Thus far I haven't noticed any leaks but truck lives in a garage everywhere it goes, so that could be part of it.

Since August I have replaced a failed rear door lock actuator (note that the latch didn't replacement) and I think the hood sensor is on its way...thus proving the LR heritage.
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I am on my 2nd LR3, shouldn't have sold the 1st one. Keep sunroof drains clean and you won't have water in the floorboards.
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Clay, I did a mini-"water ingress tips" for the LR3 somewhere...I think maybe even in a thread on here. If not, I'm pretty sure I have an email with it somewhere at well if you want me to dig it up. As Ray stated, they weren't all that bad but certainly things that want to be nipped in the bud before they become a big issue.

The latest thing I had to do was actually ship the terminating end of the sunroof drains behind the fresh air intake (passenger side), and fender well (driver side).
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I just got my LR4 back from the dealer fixing a water leak. Bad sunroof frame. LR covered the repair after some discussion.
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My wife's lr4 is going into shop on Monday to look at a water leak coming in right where headliner and front windshield meet behind rear view mirror..........
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My wife's lr4 is going into shop on Monday to look at a water leak coming in right where headliner and front windshield meet behind rear view mirror..........
Exactly where my sons D2 is leaking I suspect it is sunroof drains.
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With the new styled Discovery now out, is not worth the premium of a LR4 over a LR3. 99% of the folks can't tell the difference and both will look dated in 6 months.
BTW - mine has been dry for the last 18 months after I sorted the sunroof drains and dash cowl. Both easy fixes.
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Unless you hate the new style discovery sport and think the lr4 is the last square suv that will ever be produced by Land Rover as it slowly goes down the tubes with every new vehicle introduction........ Then the lr4 is the vehicle to get..... Looks good and luxury.....
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With the new styled Discovery now out, is not worth the premium of a LR4 over a LR3. 99% of the folks can't tell the difference and both will look dated in 6 months.
BTW - mine has been dry for the last 18 months after I sorted the sunroof drains and dash cowl. Both easy fixes.
You need to drive a Land Rover with a 5.0 V8. The 3.0 V6 is underpowered in the LR4 but fine in the RRS and full size.
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With the new styled Discovery now out, is not worth the premium of a LR4 over a LR3. 99% of the folks can't tell the difference and both will look dated in 6 months. BTW - mine has been dry for the last 18 months after I sorted the sunroof drains and dash cowl. Both easy fixes.
Not a fan of the new Discovery what so ever. I should probably do like 2 year old R4 to take some advantage of the depreciation drop. We have a good record of holding on to family vehicles for 10-12 years.

https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-fo...and-rover-lr4/
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I love our lr4
My brother loves his lr4

The new discovery sport looks like crap..... No offense to anyone who has one .

Just don't understand why everything looks like they squished it down... Raised the belt line and put little Windows you can see out of.... Not to mention nobody can tell the difference between land rovers and fords anymore.
I still like the Range Rover but all other models I can't stand....
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