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Old March 4th, 2014, 06:33 PM
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LR Genuine vs. Britpart Springs

Searched... Didn't find much.

I ordered what I thought were genuine springs (same part numbers/ colors) and when I open the box, they're Britpart. What's the deal? Same PN and colors... Just have Britpart stickers.

Anyone know if these are the same springs?
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Old March 4th, 2014, 06:37 PM
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No, Genuine springs only come with genuine labels on every spring.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 06:53 PM
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No, Genuine springs only come with genuine labels on every spring.
And a fancy paint scheme that makes you call RN on a Saturday morning to decipher.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 06:57 PM
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And a fancy paint scheme that makes you call RN on a Saturday morning to decipher.
Ben's shocks have the paint. The paint scheme, by the way, can be decoded here:

http://red90.ca/rovers/springinfo.html
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Old March 4th, 2014, 07:05 PM
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Haha, if someone called me Saturday morning at RN for that info I'd just go to Red's site for the info anyways. Very comprehensive and well done.
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Britpart sells a lot of items bought from the same manufacturers LR is supplied by.
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Specifically:

Front - NRC9448 (blue/red), NRC9449 (yellow/white)
Rear - NRC6904 (red/green), NRC6389 (red/red)

My Britpart springs have the correct PN/ colors... Curious.

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This is what they should look like-
http://www.roversnorth.com/ProductDe...ERS-SIDE-FRONT

LR tag will either be taped directly onto the spring, or on a piece of twine tied to the spring.
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Judging by the immense amount of other britpart parts in that photo, I'm guessing they're just britpart replacement springs.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 08:31 AM
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Thanks for your professional opinion, Zack.

I'm not questioning whether they're Britpart. I'm questioning why they are identical to Genuine springs and if it's possible they are produced by the same company.

Regardless. I'm shipping them back and reordering.
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I had a UK vendor do that to me with a different part. I selected the genuine part and they shipped a britpart part. When I asked them about it they said oh sorry we were out of the GEN part and substituted the britpart.

I went genuine because it was a hard to replace part and paid the additional ~$120 USD over the britpart but they never refunded the money to me until inquired about it.
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Thanks for your professional opinion, Zack.

I'm not questioning whether they're Britpart. I'm questioning why they are identical to Genuine springs and if it's possible they are produced by the same company.

Regardless. I'm shipping them back and reordering.
Sorry Ben, I mistook the question and probably shouldn't have responded that late at night.

While I can't comment on their actual metallurgy, here is what I can contribute.








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Nice detail.
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I had a UK vendor do that to me with a different part. I selected the genuine part and they shipped a britpart part. When I asked them about it they said oh sorry we were out of the GEN part and substituted the britpart.

I went genuine because it was a hard to replace part and paid the additional ~$120 USD over the britpart but they never refunded the money to me until inquired about it.
Same has happened to me but with hinges.
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Sexiest Genuine Parts photo ever.

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I had a UK vendor do that to me with a different part. I selected the genuine part and they shipped a britpart part. When I asked them about it they said oh sorry we were out of the GEN part and substituted the britpart.
This has happened to me several times with Atlantic British and even at Rovers North before I started asking about it. These days, I ask the sales rep to verify in the warehouse that I'm getting Genuine. It's especially annoying when it's quality-important pieces like hub seals or clutch master cylinders.
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Sexiest Genuine Parts photo ever.

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This has happened to me several times with Atlantic British and even at Rovers North before I started asking about it. These days, I ask the sales rep to verify in the warehouse that I'm getting Genuine. It's especially annoying when it's quality-important pieces like hub seals or clutch master cylinders.
Anything recently? At one point we had substituted Proline hardware on a door hinge kit, but adjusted the price and made a note of it not being gen. Certainly nothing since I've been here(last 3 years) have been sold as Genuine and been anything but.
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My genuine 200tdi crankshaft seal (from a company called Dowty) was in a britpart blue bag. I'm guessing that britpart's sticker is their version of the "blue bag" for parts like springs.

My guess is that Britpart doesn't manufacture anything themselves. They are a parts distributor and they get parts of various types from various manufacturers. The British seem to call copies of the originals "pattern parts" and originals are "genuine". I've seen the suffix "G" used sometimes to denote the genuine version of a part number (e.g. 1071023 and 1071023G) but there seems to be a lot of variability here.

Some manufacturers put actual printed markings on their springs - for example, my Terrafirma springs have the words "Terrafirma - TF027V" printed all around the spring, and are powdercoated as well. It's too bad the Land Rover genuine parts don't have these sorts of markings.
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Thanks for the input, guys.

Zack, thanks for the measurements and detailed pics. These springs are not the same.
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I've seen the suffix "G" used sometimes to denote the genuine version of a part number (e.g. 1071023 and 1071023G) but there seems to be a lot of variability here.
In Britpart speak.... "G" represents OEM. They will normally us an "LR" suffix for genuine. Inside the Britpart price sheet it will be a little more clear. There is a column that says "Britpart" or "OEM" or the name of the actual manufacturer. On these springs, they do not show an OEM option, so I very much doubt these are meant to be OEM.

How much did you pay? The list price of the BP items is 25% of the list price of the Land Rover parts. http://www.lrseries.com/shop/product...ING-FRONT.html This is a reasonable number for retail pricing.
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