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Old September 17th, 2013, 02:16 PM
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Looking at LRs. Dealing with tall guy issues...

I am considering purchasing my first LR. Though I am still educating myself on the different models and features, I am looking for a 5 door wagon with sufficient seats for me and my brood (9 total).

I looked at a series 1 (RHD) over the weekend and relatively satisfied with what I saw based on what I have read and learned thus far. The main issue that I had was how tight the driver's area was for me. I'm 6' 6", 240#. While I'm not fat by any means, I did find the space to be a bit confining. Not to mention the fact that the amount of leg space was a bit concerning. Between the e-brake handle and the steering wheel, I was having a bit of trouble depressing/releasing the clutch properly. Not to mention my size 14 feet were giving me issues when I had to hit the brake and clutch at the same time. Lastly, the small windscreen area required that I lean forward quite a bit to look at stop lights and overhead signs.

Without making major modifications, how do taller guys get along with LRs?
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Old September 17th, 2013, 02:34 PM
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Damn, you're just too big for a Land Rover.

I think most of them are a little cramped and I'm not a big guy.

WV billionaire Jim Justice, owner of The Greenbrier, had a Defender 110 widened to accommodate his....wide load.
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Old September 17th, 2013, 02:38 PM
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A series 1 is small, no doubt about that.
I think you better call Stuart or Paul Foley and see if they'd build you a seven door.
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Old September 17th, 2013, 02:49 PM
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Damn, you're just too big for a Land Rover.

I think most of them are a little cramped and I'm not a big guy.

WV billionaire Jim Justice, owner of The Greenbrier, had a Defender 110 widened to accommodate his....wide load.
I have pics! Posted it in Sightings once upon a time....his truck was at a shop right next to our farm
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Old September 17th, 2013, 02:51 PM
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Contact Rob Bass. He is in Rockville, MD. He has a Series 3 109 5 door that he is preparing for sale. He's on this forum as RRCBass.

Bill McDonald used to truck his family of 11 (or is it twelve, I lost count) in a 109 NADA 6 109 5 door wagon. He's like 6'4 and he fit.
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Old September 17th, 2013, 03:14 PM
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Something to keep in mind is that the RHD has more room in the footwell area for the driver than the LHD.

You could move the brake lever to the opposite side as well for a little more leg room
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Old September 17th, 2013, 03:21 PM
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a 109 (SII, SIIa, SIII) or 110 station wagon will seat 9. Four on the benches/jump seats in the back (inward facing), three in the middle row, two in the front.

In a 109/110 SW, you can move the seat back with rails if you have defender seats and you could be 7ft tall and still drive it.
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Old September 17th, 2013, 03:22 PM
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PS the 109 Rob has is RHD
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Getting the seat rails helps a bit (if you've not got the rear bulkhead), but the trouble is, it raises the seat by an inch or so, which means you're looking through the sunvisor.

i'm 6'5" and struggle a little sometimes. luckily my 110 5 door has no bulkhead, so can tip the seat back a bit, and the 90 i cut the bulkhead out so could roll the seat back.

a G wagon has plenty of room!

You can move the handbrake lever... get a discovery/rangerover lever, and mount it on top of the seatbox. stops it digging in the side of your leg then.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 08:19 AM
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Contact Rob Bass. He is in Rockville, MD. He has a Series 3 109 5 door that he is preparing for sale. He's on this forum as RRCBass.
Awesome! That just a little up the road from me. I'll look him up.

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You can move the handbrake lever... get a discovery/rangerover lever, and mount it on top of the seatbox. stops it digging in the side of your leg then.
I'm looking this up right now. Any idea on how big a pain it is?
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Old September 18th, 2013, 08:26 AM
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I am 6'5 and 245ish and would recommend a defender as opposed to s series for anything more than just running errands. The series deluxe seats will kill your back and short of cutting the truck up there is no way to improve it. David Short is also considering selling his Stage 1 109 in the Reston area if you want the old look but more drive-ability.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 08:41 AM
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Defender seats in a 109 Wagon, with the cross bar removed, are just fine. They will go back pretty far and they will recline a bit. I believe Rob's truck is equipped with Defender seats.
Series roof line is a bit lower up front than a Defender so you may have to lean forward a bit to see some traffic signals.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 10:10 PM
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Tall in a Defender 90 - no worries.

I am 6'6", 230lb and am perfectly comfortable in a standard 97 Defender.

FWIW I was ready to install the UK Mudrails but the seat goes back just fine and I am fine in there. Drove it from Atlanta to New Orleans and though I am not eager to repeat the experience (noisey and bouncey) the height issue wasn't a problem at all.

Saw a post on this (maybe this thread?) about another guy that said it's supposed to be a tight fit (cramped?) so the truck holds one in place. When I read it is seemed far fatched, but I am now 100% inclined to agree.

Go fot it. You only go around once.

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6'8" and I fit as well in my 90 and 110 as anything else.

Heck, face it, we don't fit anywhere else, either.
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Do like this one. I have a LHD I'm finishing now with the ebrake swapped to the RHS to give way more room. Custom seat brackets, seats, and pedal adjustments and you are all set

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Do like this one. I have a LHD I'm finishing now with the ebrake swapped to the RHS to give way more room. Custom seat brackets, seats, and pedal adjustments and you are all set

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Old September 21st, 2013, 01:26 PM
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At 6'4 and 200# I'm just a little tyke compared to you. Seating in the 110 is odd compared to any new vehicle, but you also get used to it. I dumped the stock seats as I found them very uncomfortable, and unsafe due to the "headrest" only coming somewhere up on my back. I put Saab 9000 seats in, but even after lowering them they're still too high for my liking.

When budget permits, I'll buy some Puma seats, or nicer Exmoor ones, to replace them. Getting a sunroof cut in would give me more of a feeling of visibilty. I'm "lucky" there are no mountains around here, as with my seating position I wouldn't be able to see them out of the windows anyway.

I have quite a bit of headroom in the 110, and would have even more if I put in a custom headliner. There are also brackets you can get for the second row of seats to give them more legroom, which you'll want to consider as there isn't going to be a lot of room behind your seat when you're driving. Like others, I have a LHD conversion with the parking brake on the right side. I read on ECR about them complaining of others' conversions that leave the brake over there, but in my mind it makes the most sense. Then again, I have long arms.

Also, you can fit 10 in a 110 wagon if you put a seat where the centre console is. However, with your size that would be pretty uncomfortable.
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Do like this one. I have a LHD I'm finishing now with the ebrake swapped to the RHS to give way more room. Custom seat brackets, seats, and pedal adjustments and you are all set
That's a great looking interior! If I convert to LHD I will do the same and keep the brake on the right side. Hope my interior comes out as good as that!
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That's a great looking interior! If I convert to LHD I will do the same and keep the brake on the right side. Hope my interior comes out as good as that!
Thanks Don!
With all the nice seats coming available now, anything is possible. Just have to find best bang for the buck. I'm about to redo the interior in my other one, but haven't pulled trigger on best seat combo that will look nice and not break the piggy.
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