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Old January 25th, 2017, 12:46 PM
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Is a TD5 swap possible on a older 110??

Anyone done a TD5 swap on a older 110? Fed up with my 300 tdi the wiring aspect doesn't scare me
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Old January 25th, 2017, 12:51 PM
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Sure. Probably makes more sense to use one of the upcoming Cummins ISF 2.8s instead unless you get all of the parts really cheap. Same level of work and probably similar cost, but you get all new modern parts.

Being in Canada, you might as well just import a factory TD5 truck and sell your old one to the US. A lot less work and probably a lot cheaper.
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Old January 25th, 2017, 01:02 PM
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Being in Canada, you might as well just import a factory TD5 truck and sell your old one to the US. A lot less work and probably a lot cheaper.
If that 300Tdi is in the '91 Fender has listed then it won't make it into the US. It's not an original engine. Otherwise I would agree. a complete TD5 truck would be much nice than a transplant.
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Old January 25th, 2017, 08:44 PM
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Yup it's a1991 a real td5 would make more sense just not the 40 k pricetag lol and having to do the import again
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Old January 25th, 2017, 08:54 PM
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40k? You should be able to easily buy a truck and import for well under 20k.
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Old January 25th, 2017, 09:23 PM
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I've seen a few LHD for around 9000 euro that needed body work but nothing solid yet. Also high miles ..the search continues! Anyone want a diesel automatic csw 110??
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Old January 25th, 2017, 10:00 PM
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For €,9,000 - €10,000 all you are only going to find is high mileage, a long list of mechanical repairs, and/or a fine example of corrosion at work.
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I've built a few Td5 rovers now (my current 110, my old 90, and a friends tomcat)

For a defender, you just get all the parts from various sources and plug it all togther. you need everything though, nothing is the same as Tdi

bulkhead loom, engine looms, front fender LH & RH wiring looms, rear chassis loom (which runs the electric tank pump). under seat fusebox. all plug and play though.
10AS alarm unit and engine ECU (go for an NNN500020 as they're defender spec and reprogrammable)
fuel tank (plastic, different to the Tdi as the pump sits inside the tank... may be the same as NAS, I don't know)
fuel pipes and filter
seat box is pretty similar, just a bracket under the RH seat for the ECU and fusebox to sit on.
engine & gearbox obviously. you could change the bellhousing on your current 300Tdi to a Td5 spec one.
chassis mounts (weld on). you can use the 300Tdi gearbox crossmember (Td5's gearbox brackets were welded to the chassis), but if you use the Tdi one, you need to cut and route the exhaust around it, or just "notch" a piece of the crossmember out so the standard exhaust can go through..this is what I have done on my 110.
radiator and intercooler (which are the same as the later puma 2.4 and I think, 2.2 engines... intercooler certainly is)
if you want the factory alarm to work (the 10AS unit, which you will need anyway regardless of if you actually activate the alarm portion of it) then a couple of plippers, coil for the ign switch, and an internal movememt sensor, plus the alarm sounder (two types available, plain "horn" or BBUS, battery backed up sounder)
front & rear propshafts. front has larger wider angle UJ's too.

all the parts are pretty easily available in the UK or euroland. prices not too silly either.

Someone on the defender2 forum has a compete Td5 "kit" for sale...well, engine & box and ECU:
DEFENDER2.NET - View topic - [For Sale] Complete TD5 Drivetrain
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Old January 26th, 2017, 06:46 AM
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Ok thanx I am considering both options now l,my trucks in good shape low mileage and over maintained everything's been done to it.
What I really didn't want to do was import another and then have to take it all apart to replace15 years of use again to get it reliable as a daily driver but the maths will dictate which way I go
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Old January 26th, 2017, 07:06 AM
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For €,9,000 - €10,000 all you are only going to find is high mileage, a long list of mechanical repairs, and/or a fine example of patina at work.
Fixed that for you
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Old January 26th, 2017, 01:28 PM
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Fixed that for you
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Old January 26th, 2017, 01:33 PM
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Thanx lol! Found a few more td5's I upped the price looks like I'd be about 25 grand cad to get a decent 240 000 km 110 stationwagon with a mot guess I lucked out when I found mine most trucks forsale on Dutch kijiji are over 200 000km
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Old January 26th, 2017, 05:04 PM
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Buy this, 2000 Land Rover Defender 110 Pickup Truck | used cars & trucks | Fredericton | Kijiji

Shuffle some body parts and sell the old one.
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Old January 26th, 2017, 06:00 PM
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Nice need a four door version of that 130? Good price
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Old January 26th, 2017, 10:06 PM
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I dont think you will get the cummins cheaply.
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Old January 27th, 2017, 07:16 AM
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My opinion is that a 300tdi is reliable.. TD5 has head problems.. I don't believe it would worth it doing all the work and pay all invoice. If you really fancy a TD5, buy a newer truck..
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Old January 27th, 2017, 07:20 PM
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So the td5 is no better than the 300?
What sort of work would A td5 defender would require besides a head gasket prior to daily use?
I would rule out the Cummings conversion
Newest I can go is 15 years old and it has to be LHD for insurance
Red90 I like that truck in nb too bad it's rhd
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Old January 27th, 2017, 07:57 PM
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Some prefer the 300 for it's simplicity over the Td5.

The Td5's main issue is the early model 10P engine is prone to head failure, once a new updated head is on, no real issues. Being electronically controlled, they can be tuned for considerably more power and torque.

I'm at 130,000km on mine, original head, no issues, drives great, lots of power, it's a great engine.

The Cummins is cool, but I do wonder what the weight difference is between that and the Td5, and Tdi? If it's a lot of extra weight over the front end, what are the handling characteristics, and implications on suspension. I don't know, but am curious to find out.
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Old January 27th, 2017, 10:58 PM
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The Cummins is cool, but I do wonder what the weight difference is between that and the Td5, and Tdi? If it's a lot of extra weight over the front end, what are the handling characteristics, and implications on suspension. I don't know, but am curious to find out.
The Cummins is listed at 503lbs. No solid number on the 300, but most put it in the 450-500lbs range. So I would say it's a minor difference, worst case.
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Old January 27th, 2017, 11:03 PM
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The cummins is about the same weight and size as a TDI.
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