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Old May 7th, 2013, 11:04 PM
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Insulation between headliner and roof - Defender Hard Top Question

What insulation type has proven effective to install between the headliner and the roof?

I get the Dynamat approach - for sound deadening and attenuation, and it sticks and it must insulate "some"...

Has anyone done the Dynamat AND some dead air product on the roof plus the headliner recovered ?

Closed Foam, Batt "split" as I understand that there is only a thin space to work with....etc.

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Old May 8th, 2013, 03:02 AM
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I've used a product that I got at my local lumber/hardware store. It is used for carpet underlay. Almost the same product that you put under laminate hardwood flooring.

A lot cheaper solution than Dynamat.

It definitely reduce the noise and gives some additional insulation.

It comes in large width rolls, easy to cut and form. You should be able to find this at any carpet supplier or Home Depot...as that is where I got it from.

It is totally synthetic and won't hold any water. I ended up using the "right stuff" gasket sealer as 3M spray adhesives wouldn't hold when it go hot...plus the spray inside the truck was nasty. The Sealer has worked fantastically.

I can't seem to recall the name of the product...here's a pic if that helps at all.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/42u7abbjn2aoeh9/vxW07G3V_u
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Old May 8th, 2013, 04:21 AM
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Reflectix .... looks like those silver bubble wrap window shades....but it is not the same.

http://www.amazon.com/Reflectix-ST16...ords=reflectix

Its a much tougher material....thicker mylar and very effective. Ultralight backpackers use it to insulate their cooking pots to save fuel.
I originally used it for the same then began to experiment.

I taped together a simple wrap for a gatorade bottle ... and it keeps it cold for hours.

Now i use it mostly as an impromptu cooler.....every flight i take from the USA to Israel, i make a pouch.....stuff it with hard to find Pork products and smuggle it into the Jewish state.

Also made a pouch for my camelbak.

I already imported 2 rolls here to Israel to line my roof, but I haven't gotten around to installing it yet.
Saving my pennies to dynamat it first. As expensive as the Dynamat is on Amazon...Its triple here.

Anyway....Refelectix is thin and cheap and extremely light weight.

It can be found and Home Depot and Lowes.

Also a ton of uses can be found on Expedition Portal forum.
Search for Reflectix.


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Edit: Here is an example of a roof install.
http://www.flashoffroad.com/Maintena...acproblems.htm
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I used Second Skin Damplifier Pro for dampening, and then i applied Heat Wave Pro over that for insulation using 3M spray adhesive. That was a highly effective combo. Takes very little heat or AC to manage the 110 cabin now.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 07:04 AM
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I used Second Skin Damplifier Pro for dampening, and then i applied Heat Wave Pro over that for insulation using 3M spray adhesive. That was a highly effective combo. Takes very little heat or AC to manage the 110 cabin now.
Sounds like good stuff....

If i remember correctly doesnt your truck have the LaSalle Trim fiberglass headliner installed ? If so i wonder if maybe the Lasalle has more room between it and the roof. I have never seen it in person.
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yep, LaSalle. I couldn't comment either as I have no idea how much room the OEM has. LaSalle gives you about an inch of space I think.
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I used Dynamat and Dynaliner (closed cell foam) on mine
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I am in a similar boat looking for insulation for my D90 roof. My research lead me to a product called 3M Thinsulate Acoustic (http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3.../applications/ )

Unfortunately, this is not readily available to the public. Fortunately, there is a chap on ebay selling some :-) I just picked up a 5'x10' piece for $75 (he has more, just search 3m acoustic thinsulate) and am looking forward to receiving it. Definitely check out this product--seems inexpensive (at least through the ebay guy, comes in at $1.50/sq ft), great sound deadener, hydrophobic, and lightweight. Worth a look.

(BTW--I have absolutely nothing to do with the ebay seller)
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Chris, how did your Thinsulate install go?
For the forum.. so optimal would be a "dynamat" install for sound, AND the Thinsulate install for heat / cool insulation?
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I'm currently in the process of insulating my roof. I used the CLD tiles (Used in the center of each section - between the ribs of the roof), wrapped the wires with harness tape (cloth tape - to stop and ratteling) and then i'm going to install 3M insulation.
Check out http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com...product-prices

They have some great products - I have no affiliation with this company.
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I used Second Skin Damplifier Pro for dampening, and then i applied Heat Wave Pro over that for insulation using 3M spray adhesive. That was a highly effective combo. Takes very little heat or AC to manage the 110 cabin now.
I used Second Skin extensively throughout my 240Z. The noise reduction as well as heat/cool retention inside is noteworthy. They provide an excellent product.
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I'll second what Rob recommended; the Reflectix stuff from Home Depot/Lowes works well, is cheap, and easy to work with. I installed it when I re-did my headliner-made a difference both for temps but also with sound. Tough to tell how much given what I did with the headliner too but for the cost and effort it was worth it.
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Chris, how did your Thinsulate install go?
For the forum.. so optimal would be a "dynamat" install for sound, AND the Thinsulate install for heat / cool insulation?
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I still have not figured out my headliner so I have not installed it. My wife leaving her job has put a stop to a lot of the projects that I have planned, so the Thinsulate is still in my garage waiting on some time/$$. I would love to hear what others are doing--it will help make my learning curve shorter :-)
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How much space do you have for both the dynamat and the dynaliner? I was planning on using dynamite extreme coupled with either 1/4" or 1/2" dynaliner, but am not sure how much space I have to work with. Should I do 1/4" dynalyner or do you think I can do 1/2" over the dynamat? thanks for your input - I appreciate it.
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