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Old January 9th, 2008, 04:11 PM
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Installing inward facing rear tip up seats

So today I received my exmoor rear inward facing tip up seats. They are really nice. Slightly strange to me was the lack of any and all instructions. It's pretty simple and I can figure out how to put them together but I thought it was weird. Any advice on spacing before I drill away?? Seats close together, far apart, do I start all the way up front by the roll cage and then work backwards? I've only seen a couple of SW and never thought much about the seats. Now I wish I had. Do the seat belts get put on the same belt that goes through to seat base? or do I have to drill a separate hole for them? I'm just a little nervous about drilling 16 holes in the tub and then wanting to move the seats down a little. Thanks!
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Old January 9th, 2008, 04:14 PM
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Check out a truck with a rear bench seat installed and base your measurements off that. The seat must be very rearward to allow the seatbelt to come over the shoulder properly. If you can't find a truck with that setup around you, my yellow truck is up by West Point and you can look at it.
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Old January 9th, 2008, 05:10 PM
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Jim I think you're misunderstanding. these are seats like in a SW. the seat belts are lap belts not shoulder belts. ?????
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Old January 9th, 2008, 05:56 PM
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No, the seat belts do not go through the same bolt hole as the jump seat bottoms.

You really should look at the factory set up on an SW before you start drilling.
There are some differences between the ST and SW.
The ST's don't have the wheel tub bracing that the jump seat belts bolt too. There is also a relocating brace for each of the middle jump seat backs as well. I think there are photos of these somewhere here on the site.

The stock rear ST speaker housings are larger and angled compared to those on an SW. This matters because the SW factory rear jump seat base location is very close to the SW speaker housing, (which is mounted flush with the back of the truck).

Finally, and I'd have to check my ST to confirm, but I do not believe there is a bolt hole mount for the female side of the middle jump seat belt.
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That's what I was afraid of. The easiest projects intimidate me and the hard ones that I think I completely understand I don't. Now where to find a SW near Oyster Bay, New York or a ST with jump seats installed that I can look at????
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Oh yeah, I read that wrong. For some reason I thought forward facing. I'm not sure how its done in a ST - this will involve something custom.
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The one suggestion that I have is to use nylon lock nuts for the seat belts. If you are installing the belts over a rubber floor mat, you cannot get the nuts/bolts very tight, because of the give of the rubber. You then risk the nuts working loose and falling off. The lock nuts will prevent that. As for spacing, I used my side windows as a guide, so that the seats looked centered in the window...from the outside. That ended up putting the seats a little rearward from center. Also, just try to give the occupants a little leg room...so not too close together.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:52 AM
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That's what I was afraid of. The easiest projects intimidate me and the hard ones that I think I completely understand I don't. Now where to find a SW near Oyster Bay, New York or a ST with jump seats installed that I can look at????
Jonathon:
Do a search under the Members List tab for posts from 'Defender 50th'. On Dec 2, 2004 he posted a very clear wheel well photo of the factory SW jump seat mounting and seat belt bolt attaching brace. You might find this helpful. (Embarrasingly, I don't know how to post photos...)
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This is the thread Gary is referring to.
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Also, the mounts for the belts is a piece of cage and is different between SW and ST.

I would look for a picture from a UK spec truck.
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Thanks guys. The only thing I still concerned with is the seats belts. I was think of using a piece of angle iron bolted across the wheel well to distribute the shock in the case of an accident. Any thoughts?
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Jonathan, near the passenger side rear corner there's a bumpout for the gas hose leading from the outside gas cap. Take this bumpout into consideration when you plan your fittings. I also installed four exmoore seats in a ST and this was almost an issue for me. I got very lucky and was able to flip one of the seatback brackets around to compensate for the lack of space there. Remember non-NAS trucks don't have this configuration so exmoore's brackets are not made to compensate for it.

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