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Old July 10th, 2006, 02:55 PM
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Yup, old post on it here.

I have the write-up and pictures in printed form if you need it. I mildly adjusted mine and have had nice results. Although I smoke a little more at high altitude and at start-up.
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I think we're confused here: the lift pump runs off the cam on the side of the motor.

These mods aren't for that. Unless I'm blind...
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We are doing a V8 to Td5 now in my own truck, so it will be slow going as I only work on it on off hours, but it is a lot bigger convesrion than V8 to 300 Tdi or 2.8PS.
It is fully electronic, even fly by wire throttle. So if you are looking for easy, cheap and simple go Tdi or 2.8, the Td5 won't be any of those. I'm doing it only because I ended up with a new Td5 engine for basically no money... otherwise I wouldn't have done it. Can't say I'd suggest it, but to each his own. The parts list fot eh conversion is about 3 times longer than that of the V8 to Tdi conversion.

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Well ECR Mike, where are you now on the Td5.

Anyone here do the Td5 swap from a 3.9, particularly for a D110?
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Hopefully Keith will chime in. He stuffed one in his wife's Discovery 1. I helped him sort out some ECU issues with it and have driven it and it is impressive.
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Since the engine came in a Defender it's a pretty easy swap. You'll just need to have all the right pieces. The bellhousing and input shaft is different, transmission crossmember is too but might be the same as a 300 tdi version. It would be best to get the whole "kit" from a trusted breaker in the UK. Nothing except the transfer case will interchange. Be prepared for a lot of plastic.
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Dunno but the real-world assessment of the td5 post-teething issues (which you mist admit the 300 had as well, can we say shredded timing belts anyone) seems to be mostly positive from those who run a lot of them and for long-distance and yes, expedition use. That said I went 200TDI to keep things easier for
my first build.

Honestly the 300 vs 2.8 vs td5 arguement is pretty lame when reall we should be lusting over and trying to sort out the issues with getting a TDv6 in place. Probably the best engine shipped by Land Rover to date and criminally not available in any Defender. Last I heard the hold-up was the insane cost of the factory ECU units (someone said 10k GBP at one point, as much as an engine) but that an aftermarket ECU was "around the corner". I know I am waiting on this for a Tomcat/Ibex project. The only other thing I have found that is close is the new diesel in the Toureg, v6 or v10, I suspect I would end up needing to transplant the entire drivetrain though and that cannot be cheap.
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Yea, but I wonder if ECR Mike finished his own personal TD5 that he got for free.
Well Mike, whats' your opinion?


Also, I want to keep it LR even though the LR diesels to choose from are not the best.
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Yea, but I wonder if ECR Mike finished his own personal TD5 that he got for free.
Well Mike, whats' your opinion?
I haven't finished my own 110. I shifted my plans to get my 130 project going instead.

With customer Td5 110s they are very nice. We have done performance intercoolers and chips and such and they are very nice. The down side is computers and I can't really speak about the longevity as our customers with Td5s haven't had them very long, but for the miles I have done in Td5s I have no issue with them.
Personally I would go with something else, but that is just because I like "simple".
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I run a Td5 in my project110 (built it from scratch); OK, granted, here in the UK it's easier to scour breakers yards to get parts, but if you're stateside and know someone over here, then parts are only a parcel away.

I love the Td5, far better than my Tdi's iv'e run previously (i've had about 6 Tdi motors in the past) this is my second Td5, first one was my old company car (td5 110 CSW). that had 144,000 miles on it when i got my new car, and it's still going strong (parents now have it)

Yup, the Td5 has electronics, so does the 3.9 EFI. you can extend the ECU loom (plug in extension) and stick the ECU up in the roof out of harms way. the only sensor on a Td5 that will stop the engine dead, is the crank position sensor. costs about $35, 2 minutes to change, no computer/laptop/NASA intervention needed.
If any other sensor goes bad, then engine will revert to factory default settings, so power may be down, but at least you'll get home.

advantages of the Td5? it's a helluva lot newer than any Tdi. it's a stronger block, can handle tuning better than the Tdi. as it's electronically controlled, then at altitude you still have the same power, not clouds of black smoke, when you DO tune it, it's still withing emmissions regulations (well, certainly is here in the UK... mine's kicking out 190bhp and hardly smokes unless you give it some)

People bemoan the Td5... in fact, it was in production longer than the 200 and 300Tdi. so how bad can it be?

To install it into a defender, then it's relatively easy. like Mike says, weld in new engine mounts (as you'd have to anyway if you did a V8~Tdi swap), get a bulkhead harness, ECU harness, rear chassis harness, new fuel tank, fuel pipes and filter, radiator & intercooler, that's about it. not much more than a Tdi transplant.
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Jim - if you don't mind, would you post up, or PM me, what TD5 specific spares you carry for your truck? I have a spare CPS and some other misc sensors in my kit. I can even carry my original non-flashable ECU if required. But I'm curious about what other bits I may be missing. Thx. Mark
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Old January 5th, 2010, 02:51 PM
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At the minute i don't carry any spares, although i'm only bimbling around the UK, so have a tookbox, mobile phone and AA recovery card



Parts i will carry when i go further afield though, (apart from the usual UJ's,nuts,bots etc)

spare ECU
crank position sensor
Nanocom ECU programmer (well worth it)
maybe a MAF (Mass airflow meter)
If i pick up a good used injector (Which will need nanocom or a dealer 'puta to make it run properly, but it'll still run ok-ish without being programmed in)...but in the years i've had a Td5, i've never needed to touch an injector anyway.

That's about it really. at home i've got a spare starter, throttle pedal,turbo,wiring looms, but these are only parts i've picked up along the way, not bought especially to keep "as spares"

I've got a carPC, with microcat on it, so (more or less) wherever i am in the world, should i ever travel, i only need to find a dealer, or find someone who will accept a package, and i can identify and get the parts needed. obviously this is a worst case scenario, but the usual service items also (filters, oil etc)
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I'd agree with everything Diesel Jim has said. The Webrover website was written by one of the first guys in the UK to retro fit a Td5. He was learning as he went along because nobody had done that kind of conversion before. Fast forward to today and all of the issues WebRover had with regard ECU's, injectors, immobilisers etc are common knowledge (in the UK).

The number of Td5's out of breakers Defenders and the ease with which you can retrofit one has rendered the 2.8Tdi conversion almost obsolete in the UK. A Land Rover engine specialist in the UK was telling me how he shelved his own Tdi 'stroker' project he was working on when he noticed the gradual drop off in Tdi rebuild work as people were shifting to retro-fitting Td5's rather than have their dead Tdi rebuilt.

The Tdi has its advantages but don't dismiss the Td5 just because it has some electronics. It is as reliable and durable as any Tdi. Those that don't like them have never owned one. Trust me once you've driven even a mildly tuned Td5, you'll be junking both that Tdi and the V8.
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Kevin and Jim,
Who in the UK would you recommend a stateside American like myself get a TD5 and all that is needed to do a swap?
Trusted breaker?, M&D?, JE Engineering?
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Jim - thanks much for the response. Most of the big items you listed I have covered - CPS, MAF, ECU, Nanocom, Laptop with manuals. I thought about an injector, especially considering the Nanocom can update the codes, but I wish the price would come down on them. Any leads on reasonable prices ones would be appreciated. The fly-by-wire pedal will go in the kit eventually too. The one bit you haven't covered that I'm curious about is the fuel pump. What have you gathered on reliability?

It appears we have a similar philosophy - prudent thought to spares + manual, phone, and address for worse case. And worse case may be just an excuse to have magaritas and wait.
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Kevin and Jim,
Who in the UK would you recommend a stateside American like myself get a TD5 and all that is needed to do a swap?
Trusted breaker?, M&D?, JE Engineering?
If you can get him to reply (Quickly) to an email, then Ian Boughan at IRB developments, he's the chap who's done my tuning, he works at the factory, and regularly gets lots of legitimate parts. he sourced my engine and bulkhead for me.



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Jim - thanks much for the response. Most of the big items you listed I have covered - CPS, MAF, ECU, Nanocom, Laptop with manuals. I thought about an injector, especially considering the Nanocom can update the codes, but I wish the price would come down on them. Any leads on reasonable prices ones would be appreciated. The fly-by-wire pedal will go in the kit eventually too. The one bit you haven't covered that I'm curious about is the fuel pump. What have you gathered on reliability?

It appears we have a similar philosophy - prudent thought to spares + manual, phone, and address for worse case. And worse case may be just an excuse to have magaritas and wait.
Yeah, main fuel pump is one that i forgot. although the one in my old 110 was the original (and still is) after 150,000 odd miles now.
If i were to venture on a mega long trip into the boonies, i'd either carry one or just change it prior to leaving. if i stayed in Europe, i'd just get to a dealer and buy one if i needed. I've got the dimensions here if anyone wants to cut a hole in their rear tub to access the pump in a 90 or 110 Td5 (i was going to install an access "hole" in mine, but plylined the body instead, so it'll be a "drop the tank" job if i need to get to it.

a slight hassle, but only a couple of hours work really.

nanocoms seem to be hovering about the 200 park at the moment, some about 204 from certain dealers.
At the shows they sometimes knock them out for 150. i had one in my hand last year, it was a toss up between a nanocom and a new passenger door.... so the door won!
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My Disco1 with TD5 is using a stock V8 fuel pump in the tank, it's got a good filter and it's worked fine for 29K miles. I suspect a V8 90 pump would work as will, less stuff hanging outside the frame to "bend" too.
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My Disco1 with TD5 is using a stock V8 fuel pump in the tank, it's got a good filter and it's worked fine for 29K miles. I suspect a V8 90 pump would work as will, less stuff hanging outside the frame to "bend" too.
You don't even need the proper Td5 pump either... a friend of mine has a tomcat with Td5, and it has a Facet high pressure external pump connected to an allisport swirl chamber. he did the Morocccan outback challenge in it, no hassles at all.
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diesel_jim - sorry, wasn't clear. The nanocom I have. Looking for a good source for a spare injector.
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Trying my hand at movies. I need to do it again and make it bigger, but here is the start up of the new Td5 we just put in a 110. Always a great day in the shop when an engine starts up and acts right.

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