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Old February 28th, 2017, 09:54 AM
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ing at a few defenders and possible trip across pond advice.

Hello ,
I am looking at a couple of rigs on the forum, if they do not pan out, thinking about just flying over and inspecting , my question is what source has the cleanest rigs there? withams etc.
wanted to see and contact as many as possible in order to find the right one. what have you done , and how did you do it I guess is the question!
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Old February 28th, 2017, 10:01 AM
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Just a question. It appears we are at the point where there are more suitable ROWs for sale stateside than available overseas and the price advantage of importing is no longer there. Thoughts?
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Old February 28th, 2017, 10:56 AM
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I disagree Russell. You can land a nice truck for under $10k, easily.

Greg, I think going over is the best idea and I intend to do that myself for my next import. For my first import I hired an inspector to go over the vehicle with a fine toothed comb and verify all numbers. I feel this is a pretty solid option but find the best trucks/deals get snapped up so quickly there is rarely time for such arrangements as sellers unload to the first buyer to offer $$ (understandable).
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Old February 28th, 2017, 11:18 AM
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Going over and driving around the U.K. Is awesome to do but your killing any savings of doing it your self. If you had a mate in the UK that did the leg work then yes it can work but otherwise no.

Yes you can find a nice ex mod rig in the £5-6k range privately. However by the time you fly over, drive all over the U.K, and other daily expenses. Looking at only what's available that week there is zero savings vs getting one stateside.

Also don't rush into it. Look at a load of them before you buy. Right now where looking at about 3-4 ex mods before we buy one and turning down 9 out of 10 of the 110 5 doors we are looking at.

Don't go by cosmetics. Biggest concern should be bulkhead then chassis then mechanical condition.
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Old February 28th, 2017, 11:49 AM
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X2 on "Don't go by cosmetics. Biggest concern should be bulkhead then chassis then mechanical condition."
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Old February 28th, 2017, 11:56 AM
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Hello ,
I am looking at a couple of rigs on the forum, if they do not pan out, thinking about just flying over and inspecting , my question is what source has the cleanest rigs there? withams etc.
wanted to see and contact as many as possible in order to find the right one. what have you done , and how did you do it I guess is the question!
Thanks
Greg
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Old February 28th, 2017, 12:46 PM
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I disagree Russell. You can land a nice truck for under $10k, easily.

Greg, I think going over is the best idea and I intend to do that myself for my next import. For my first import I hired an inspector to go over the vehicle with a fine toothed comb and verify all numbers. I feel this is a pretty solid option but find the best trucks/deals get snapped up so quickly there is rarely time for such arrangements as sellers unload to the first buyer to offer $$ (understandable).
Brice, please share.
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Old February 28th, 2017, 12:55 PM
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If you are looking for LHD US importable vehicles, the Netherlands, Germany, France, Italy and Spain and Portugal private sales are your best bet. Flying over checking out one or two and getting it to a port for RoRo can easily be well worth your while. Having someone over there to check it out for you is even better and will save you even more $$$ but making it a small vacay is also still worth it.

There are a few of us here in Canada who have done this (and continue to do so) saving thousands. Fortunately for us we do have the fifteen year rule versus twenty five therefore our purchase options are much broader.
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Old February 28th, 2017, 01:12 PM
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I'd look at a 5 door . love the ex mod want a thilonus soft top don't mind the 2.5 might just run as is, or drop a 200 td in it at a later date. if I need to go highway speed i'll just jump into the lr3 or the disco. so speed isn't a biggie. it will be a get around town , out in the woods exploring truck.
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Old February 28th, 2017, 02:42 PM
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This is just my 2 cents, so I will dip a toe into this conversation. Importing a vehicle into the US is in most cases very straight forward. Having said this Land Rovers are starting to become if not already a catatory of their own. They now raise red flags EVERYTIME they are imported. As most of the board members know, this is do to the ability to easily change VINís and that older restored trucks look very much like brand new ones. Any imported rover now with a galvanized chassis or a bump in the hood is automatically a suspect. From what I have heard through friend in customs, Any Land Rover gets an extra check. Yes, you can get one cheaper in the UK but as mentioned the price gap between there and here has come way down. If you run afoul with the import/customs you could be lucky enough to just loose a few thousand and have to export the truck back to the point of origin. IMHO it is not worth the risk with so many trucks already in the US. Best of luck with whatever path you choose.
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Old February 28th, 2017, 03:02 PM
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I'm sure there are lots of opinions out there about this, and I don't claim to be an expert....but I'm a US citizen living in Europe for just shy of 2 years and from my experience searching for a Defender...

It's hard work to find a good Defender to take back to the States. Depending on what you are looking for...it's REALLY hard. If you want a LHD 90....not too difficult (there's quite a few available in Italy...regularly available across the rest of the continent). If you want a RHD 110...harder, but possible from the UK with some dedicated effort. If you want a LHD 110 5 door station wagon...the market is tight.

My job brought me to Poland...and with the hope of finding my very own 25 year old 110 LHD 5 door to restore myself and bring back to the States with me. It took me about 9 months to find a suitable candidate. I closely watched the online market for all of Europe for a LHD 110. Naturally, my search didn't put much effort into the UK.

We're all aware that there's a market for vehicles 25 and older to export....so as soon as vehicles hit 23 or 24 years old, the price climbs...or they are stashed away until their 25th birthday for max price. Once, I found myself calling about a vehicle in Spain only to learn the transaction was being handled by a broker in the UK. There are businesses out there that search for these vehicles and snag them up to restore them and send them to the States for max profits...and a lot of the restorations look awesome. I'm definitely not saying these businesses don't do good jobs, I'm just saying that there are business minded individuals constantly on the look out for LHD 110s to turn into profits... 25 yro Defenders aren't just laying around Europe.

I had to adjust my strategy to find a decent 110 to potentially take home with me. Instead of looking at 25 yro vehicles....I started looking at 21 and 22 yro models in hopes I could figure out a way to store it until it reached the ripe old age of 25. Even then, it took me 9 months to find a '95. I had a German friend (Defender owner & LR 4x4 club enthusiast) on the hunt for me, and a buddy in the Netherlands (restoring his own RHD 110 he shipped to the NL from the UK) keeping an eye out for me.

I had time and geography in my favor...and I still had to buy a 21 yro vehicle after 9 months of searching in order to get one before it was too expensive or scarce.

The reality seems to be that either you drop lots of cash to get a good vehicle through a reliable dealer, or you need lots of time and luck to find a vehicle that is old enough...without having the frame swapped out or the engine upgraded from the original type.
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Old February 28th, 2017, 06:08 PM
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Foley's in Essex may charge a small premium but he doesn't buy shit trucks, he stands by his stuff/work and he knows what is legal. Speak to Stuart and tell him Clay said Hello.
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Old February 28th, 2017, 06:35 PM
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Brice, please share.
I'd say the 86 Tithonus on the Classified thread is a great example (though that would put you real close to 10k, if not slightly over).
In addition there are loads of Defenders in the UK for sale for less than 6k GBP that are solid trucks. They are not show vehicles, but nor are they rust heaps either.
For example, the images below are of a vehicle posted for sale today for 3,500 GBP. (I'll note that after reading that advert this truck has a shifting issue, but you get the point, solid trucks can be had for under $10k landed)
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