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Old June 24th, 2013, 02:56 PM
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Implications of going from a NAS roll cage to Full Body Cage.

I'm considering going from a NAS "half cage" to a fully body cage on my NAS D90 (SW). Any special considerations I should keep in mind? I assume I need a new roof? I assume the front and internal (behind seats) mounts can be reused?
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Old June 24th, 2013, 03:05 PM
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Look up Chris Von C's thread from a few years back. Probably just about all of the information you'll be looking for is in there.
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Old June 24th, 2013, 03:06 PM
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Perfect. Thanks!
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Other than cutting new holes in the tub, you're going to have two old holes on each side of the roof that aren't used any more. The inside hoop is soft top only and unless something has changed, the full external cage doesn't bolt through the top like the half cage.
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Old June 24th, 2013, 05:39 PM
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I did that on my truck when it was a 90 and I cut the mounting plates off of the half cage since someone else who bought the front of the cage was not using the side bars and used them with a small piece of pipe as an extra mounting point for the external cage. Worked great and no holes exposed on the top.
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Old June 24th, 2013, 08:55 PM
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Chris' thread didn't actually feature a write up. Only promises of one. I do recall Jim having posting a proper write up when installing his 110 cage. It should be pretty similar to that, right?

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Look up Chris Von C's thread from a few years back. Probably just about all of the information you'll be looking for is in there.
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Have you taken a look at Safety Devices web page? http://www.safetydevices.com/expedit...hout+bulkhead|
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Yes but I can't quite figure out why 7 different options are needed for a D90. Actually I'm just lazy and I need someone to tell me which out of the 7 options is the best.

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Can I ask why you want to do it?
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No you can't.



Not saying I want to, just curious to see what it would involve. A full cage would be nice to prevent the tin foil they call body panels from buckling when on the trail. I've already got a few dents. Also if you roll it doesn't squash gear or passengers which would be nice. The external cage is nice as it leaves more room inside and the bars on the outside protect from body damage and scratches. After looking into it though, it doesn't seem worth the cost and effort considering I already have a cage that protects the passenger compartment. If I had no cage to begin with it would probably be more worthwhile.


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Thanks. Yes, upon reading up closer the difference between them are apparent.

Why the preference for the internal one? Pretty claustrophobic, no?

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The one you asked about
Full External:
http://www.safetydevices.com/expedit...3-present/302/



The one I like
Full Internal:
http://www.safetydevices.com/expedit...3-present/801/

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Ah, it's an aesthetic consideration.
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After looking into it though, it doesn't seem worth the cost and effort
I don't know. The first time you tape a van side or your roof with a tree, you might reconsider.
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External will be my preference. It's harder to do but I think its worth it to protect body work as well as brain cells
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They went external for 110 nas trucks probably for space and perhaps injury prevention inside....just a thought. Also has a very neat "look" to it..unique. Probably costs 1-2mpg though.
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If you reuse the roof tabs from the current SW cage and leave the internal hoop, connect them to the full exo-cage you have something like the NAS 110 set up with full external cage and internal hoop behind the front seats. You keep your roof this way too.

This would assume no conflict with the body mounts behind the front doors. I had a big concern with my kids in the back seats in the SW due to the lack of protection in the back half of the truck. Full cage would help.
A couple of posts from CVC on his upgrade:
http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...highlight=cage
http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...highlight=cage
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I agree. The external is nice as it essentially acts as tree branch sliders all around the vehicle.

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I don't know. The first time you tape a van side or your roof with a tree, you might reconsider.
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Great idea! How much fabricating do you think would be necessary for something like this?

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If you reuse the roof tabs from the current SW cage and leave the internal hoop, connect them to the full exo-cage you have something like the NAS 110 set up with full external cage and internal hoop behind the front seats. You keep your roof this way too.

This would assume no conflict with the body mounts behind the front doors. I had a big concern with my kids in the back seats in the SW due to the lack of protection in the back half of the truck. Full cage would help.
A couple of posts from CVC on his upgrade:
http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...highlight=cage
http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...highlight=cage
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For a competent fabricator, not much at all.
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