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Old April 9th, 2013, 06:07 PM
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I need a diesel guerue

Trying to start this damn thing! I have compression, air and fuel but no bang!!! Any recommendations??
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Old April 9th, 2013, 06:26 PM
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Check the banjo bolts on the SIDE in the injectors are tight.
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Glow plugs working?
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Old April 9th, 2013, 06:45 PM
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I was told to loosen the bolts on the injectors to allow fuel to get pushed through?

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Glow plugs working?
Haha, they have never worked, but never had an issue in the past without them.
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Old April 9th, 2013, 07:21 PM
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Well, once you have fuel at the injectors, tighten the nut (the one on the solid fuel line fron the injection pump) you now have fuel very close to the injector nozzle. Should start even without glow plugs unless it 10*F or colder.
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Old April 9th, 2013, 07:28 PM
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What engine?
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Old April 9th, 2013, 08:16 PM
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Do you have switched power to the injection pump, Tdi's
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Old April 9th, 2013, 08:24 PM
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Hmmm switch power to the injector pump??? Ill have to check that tomorrow. It is a 200tdi
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Old April 9th, 2013, 09:47 PM
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You will have a switched power feed at the bottom of the IP on the 300's I think the 200's are the same.
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Is it smoking when you try to start it ?
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No smoking, just wants to turn over but won't! Over and over again! Like the injectors aren't get fuel? But the return is kicking fuel
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Glo plugs....no heat....
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need more background. go back to when it ran last and what happened between then and now. if you are getting fuel to the return line, and there isn't a grapefruit stuck in your intake, it should at least turn over. did you mess with the timing chain/rocker/valves at all?

my first thoughts would be air in the fuel line, fuel line blockage or stuck fuel stop solenoid.
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need more background. go back to when it ran last and what happened between then and now. if you are getting fuel to the return line, and there isn't a grapefruit stuck in your intake, it should at least turn over. did you mess with the timing chain/rocker/valves at all?

my first thoughts would be air in the fuel line, fuel line blockage or stuck fuel stop solenoid.
Gotcha, air in fuel lines makes sense. Did a frame swap nothin internal, just a plug and play. Ill double check, I replaced all the fuel lines as well, are they all the same size?
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Gotcha, air in fuel lines makes sense. Did a frame swap nothin internal, just a plug and play. Ill double check, I replaced all the fuel lines as well, are they all the same size?
Not sure, but doesn't really matter that much. you have a pre-filter/water separator with a priming pump on it? bleed to main filter under bonnet, then when you're sure you are clear, bleed to your fuel pump (that have a priming pump on it?). then from there crack your injectors (just a little) and prime til they weep.

if all you did after a full rebuild is crack your pipes, that yotch is going to turn a while until that pump can push out all the air. you might even blow the diaphragm inside it.

if Doug, Pendy or Red come on here and say anything different, disregard everything I've said.
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Not sure, but doesn't really matter that much. you have a pre-filter/water separator with a priming pump on it? bleed to main filter under bonnet, then when you're sure you are clear, bleed to your fuel pump (that have a priming pump on it?). then from there crack your injectors (just a little) and prime til they weep.

if all you did after a full rebuild is crack your pipes, that yotch is going to turn a while until that pump can push out all the air. you might even blow the diaphragm inside it.

if Doug, Pendy or Red come on here and say anything different, disregard everything I've said.
Ok, so I did everything that you said, except I could not get the injectors to weep! I primed everything and cracked the injectors but could not get any fuel to aspirate? That is where I'm having problems
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hmm. when you prime to the primary fuel filter, you should be cracking the output line that runs to the fuel pump, and prime til that weeps. did you do that? you need to get past the filter to rule it out.

------ Follow up post added April 9th, 2013 11:04 PM ------

if you make it past that, time to suspect your fuel stop solenoid as well. you sure you are getting 12V ignition to it? can you hear it click when you turn ignition on and off?

------ Follow up post added April 9th, 2013 11:07 PM ------

When I replaced my head, mine wouldn't start after multiple attempts. I was where you were at. Repriming the lines did it.
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hmm. when you prime to the primary fuel filter, you should be cracking the output line that runs to the fuel pump, and prime til that weeps. did you do that? you need to get past the filter to rule it out.

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if you make it past that, time to suspect your fuel stop solenoid as well. you sure you are getting 12V ignition to it? can you hear it click when you turn ignition on and off?
It's sounds like it should turn over, when I primed it I started it in sections. Filter first, pump next, water separator then injector pump and finally return. What's weird is that the return gets fuel but the injectors don't weep?
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Sounds like the fuel solenoid is shut off (no 12v power to it) Could run a "hot wire to it to check it
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Sounds like the fuel solenoid is shut off (no 12v power to it) Could run a "hot wire to it to check it
Ill check that out as well
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