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Old January 4th, 2015, 06:56 PM
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Hybrid 9" rear axle

Am in a sort of... whilst I'm at it mood.... was thinking of building a hybrid 9" rear axle using a Ruffstuff housing & D60 front spindles. I know Buck on Pirate and a couple of others have done this before & was wondering if anyone had a set of drawings for machining the hubs for the larger bearings ?
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Old January 4th, 2015, 07:20 PM
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What would be the point of Rover hubs? Makes no sense. The axle will be a solid $3000. Just use proper normal hubs and don't reinvent the wheel.
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What would be the point of Rover hubs? Makes no sense. The axle will be a solid $3000. Just use proper normal hubs and don't reinvent the wheel.
Keeping the Rover lug pattern. I want to say Buck welded and re-drilled the hubs on his 60 setup to go back to 5 x 6.5. Personally I'd be thrilled to open the door to a million different wheel options by ditching the Rover pattern.

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Old January 4th, 2015, 07:35 PM
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I understand the reason. It just makes no sense. Even it it was possible it is a huge amount of custom work when you can just get an off the shelf hub and brake setup for cheap. The cost of rims is nothing compared to what all this will cost.
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no shit, makes no sense at all to keep the rover lug pattern...
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Old January 4th, 2015, 07:52 PM
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I understand the reason. It just makes no sense. Even it it was possible it is a huge amount of custom work when you can just get an off the shelf hub and brake setup for cheap. The cost of rims is nothing compared to what all this will cost.
Oh I'm with you. It's a novelty that some guys like, and frankly if you're dropping big bucks on a fabricated housing it's not that big of a leap.

Doing some digging, it looks like Buck went with custom spindles, which I would imagine is required since you need the same amount of bearing area for the Rover hub and jam nuts to fit on. Physically machining the hub can't be that hard once you have your bearings picked out.

I definitely remember seeing a set of hubs re-drilled. I wonder who that was...


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I custom made a 9" for my RRC I used to have. I used a spidertrax housing and strange nodular 3rd member housing with a Detroit locker and 35 spline axle shafts
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Old January 4th, 2015, 09:23 PM
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I had wheel spacers made to go from 5 on 5 to 5 on 6.5
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I thought Buck plugged the overlapping holes on 8X6.5 hubs then redrilled for 5X6.5 pattern.

Maybe Im wrong...
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I built these for my d2 using toy fzj80 axles for parts. the front and rear have 9.5" r&p, axle shafts are the same size as a d60. Longfield birds, Hellfire knuckles, full hydro…all the hubs, bearings, seals are stock…just another option



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I have $3k invested in my Stazworks double beadlock rims... I'm not selling them at a huge loss to buy new ones. That's why it's cheaper for me to go hybrid 9".

At the minute all I'm thinking of doing is building a rear axle as I don't have an ARB for the existing as it's in the front axle now. So I need to buy a locker. Buck (I thought) used front Ford Dana 60 spindles, he posted a link to them on Pirate recently but he used RT ones. I've PM him for a copy of his hub machining drawings but he's not got back to us yet... Hopefully he'll let me have a copy otherwise I'll have to start from scratch & cad it up.

Yes, it's extra work but it's what I do to relax... No wheel'in here until at least April !


Buck's going to send drawings for the NLA RT spindles... so, it's a starting point.
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The above fabbed 9" is the right way to do it, build a 5x5.5 axle and then convert to 5x6.5 with a spacer. You can then run an off the shelf axle shaft and brake setup with minimal complexity and cost. Could do this with a semi float axle or full float (tapered bearing or unit bearing)
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I thought Buck plugged the overlapping holes on 8X6.5 hubs then redrilled for 5X6.5 pattern.

Maybe Im wrong...
Not from what he posted recently, he said he just redrilled them.
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I had wheel spacers made to go from 5 on 5 to 5 on 6.5

It looks like you put off the shelf semi float ends on your housing. The OP wants a full floating axle.
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So.... here are the parts Buck posted recently on Pirate :

Ford D60 front spindles - http://www.4wd.com/Jeep-Drivetrain-J...FVBsfgodt6AAGg

Ruffstuff flanges to suit - http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/.../FLANGE60.html

In addition I already considered custom spacers but as my wheels have quite a lot of offset at present that would just put more load on the bearings. Doing it this way does mean custom shafts & drive flanges but I get the benefits of larger bearings and the stronger 9" third.
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Just a correction. You NEVER "invest" in these trucks. Unless you bought a brand spankin new one in 93-97 never drove it and now have it for sale.
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Just a correction. You NEVER "invest" in these trucks. Unless you bought a brand spankin new one in 93-97 never drove it and now have it for sale.
I know, that's why I'm not selling the rims to buy new ones...
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Here's what you need:


If you dont want to use a spacer, you could use the 5x5.5 pattern to reverse mount a standard jeep/ford rotor on the back side of the hub face, then drill and stud the hub for 5x6.5 at 90* to the other pattern.
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will a generic american racing steel rover wheel clear a 60 hub?
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For the front axle... grabbed from Mightymg1 thread - http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/land-...9-build-2.html


D60 ford hubs and rotors... machined to rover 5 on 6.5...
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