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Old December 2nd, 2006, 03:42 PM
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Angry Hubs- Can nothing be easy with this truck?

Trying to disassemble the hubs on my Defender...

The brake drum is off; hub cap is off; the circlip has been removed; the six bolts retaining the driving member have been removed...

According to the shop manual, I'm supposd to be able to remove the driving member and joint washer... but I can't get the thing off.

There is no mention of any special tool necessary or any particular process required to get it off.

Anyone have experience with this?

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Old December 3rd, 2006, 10:18 AM
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Did you take the c lip off that is behind the plastic cap?
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Old December 3rd, 2006, 05:13 PM
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Screw driver or pry bar will usualy help get the drive cap off.
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Old December 3rd, 2006, 09:20 PM
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Yes, I removed the Circlip (the clip behind the cap).

I can't get a screwdriver or prybar between the two parts (the Driving member and the Hub) to pry them apart.
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Old December 3rd, 2006, 09:35 PM
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I have done this several times, but I cannot figure out where you are stuck... Would you be able to post a few pictures? We can then provide better advise.

Or bring it down to ATL, and I will help you fix it. :-)
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Old December 4th, 2006, 07:52 AM
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Does it wiggle at all or is it siezed to the hub?
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Drive member = flange?

If so beat it sideways a tad with a rubber hammer.

Gently.
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Cube II is correct other than you may need a 3lb sledge and a good wack.
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Old December 4th, 2006, 04:51 PM
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if that doesn't work, I guess you could take the six bolts out, put the wheel back on, drop it off the jacks, throw it in low range, unlocked, hold the foot brake and give it some gas while in gear. Never tried it but that HAS to knock it loose. Last resort of course.
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Wack the axle end with a sledge a bit but put a block of wood between it.
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Originally Posted by punter
Trying to disassemble the hubs on my Defender...

The brake drum is off; hub cap is off; the circlip has been removed; the six bolts retaining the driving member have been removed...

According to the shop manual, I'm supposd to be able to remove the driving member and joint washer... but I can't get the thing off.

There is no mention of any special tool necessary or any particular process required to get it off.

Anyone have experience with this?

Thanks,
Punter
That's a '93 110, right? And you are working on the rear axle, correct?
What workshop manual do you have? [I have the NAS paper manual at home and can look at it tonight in case this is not what you are already looking at]
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Pull off the entire assembly at the tube and convert to discs :-)
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Pull off the entire assembly at the tube and convert to discs :-)
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Old December 4th, 2006, 08:20 PM
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That's a '93 110, right? And you are working on the rear axle, correct?
What workshop manual do you have? [I have the NAS paper manual at home and can look at it tonight in case this is not what you are already looking at]
Nope... '84 Defender 110 ...but, yes, I am working on the rear.

The workshop manual I have is for '84-90

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Does it wiggle at all or is it siezed to the hub?
It and the hub wiggle a bit together... but it is siezed to the hub completely.

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Pull off the entire assembly at the tube and convert to discs :-)
THAT is the intention... but I've got to get the old parts off to take some measurements for the fabricator.

I've been talking with Blackbird about the conversion... do you know of anyone else who does it?

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Old December 4th, 2006, 08:33 PM
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I'm not sure about the 84 axle, but you can buy the parts and bolt up the disks... somewhere on this forum is a parts list that has everything you need to do the conversion yourself. try searching for it.

Have you tried putting the wheel back on a spinning it (while still jacked up) to break the seal so that mabye you coudl fit the head of a skrewdriver in between the flange?

Also isn't the end of the axle threaded (hole)? could you put a bolt in there and make soemthing to pull on it with?
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Old December 4th, 2006, 08:41 PM
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Whoo Hoooo!!!

Well, it took a couple good wacks (sideways) with a small sledge and block of wood, but it came off and no parts appear to be damaged.

Although it appears as though the previous owner used a hammer and chisel to tighten the outer lock nut (rather than a wrench)... not sure how I feel about that.

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I'm not sure about the 84 axle, but you can buy the parts and bolt up the disks... somewhere on this forum is a parts list that has everything you need to do the conversion yourself. try searching for it.
Will do...
The only complication that I can forsee is finding some sort of bracket (that would bolt on the axel), to mount the caliper on. This is teh part that I've talked with Backbird about manufacturing (they've done it for a number of other rear axels).
I'll do a search, though, and see what I can turn up.

Thanks to all for the help.

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Old December 5th, 2006, 09:38 AM
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The caliper bracket is a factory land rover part that appeared on the first disc salisburys before they cast in the bracket . . . .

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Also check Pirate4x4.com Keith posted the stuff there too.

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Old December 5th, 2006, 12:34 PM
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Here's the thread: http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...0&postcount=27

The bracket is a LR part, but we had to machine .1" off of it to get the calipers to clear the rotors.

Keith@RT can get the brackets for you (that's where I got mine).
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