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HOW TO: Dorman Clutch Master Cylinder Conversion (Defender & Series late-IIA & III)

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HOW TO: Dorman Clutch Master Cylinder Conversion (Defender & Series late-IIA/III)

Ok, I've been putting this write-up off for WAY too long (wrapped up this conversion on the 90 this past summer, and looks like the 130 will be due for the same since the MC is on it's way out too). First of all, thanks for Briggs for pushing me into adapting this conversion for the Defender, he pointed me to a thread over at ExPo from a bloke Matthew that had done this conversion on his Series so it reasoned that it could easily be adapted to the Defender...and there was also a thread over on Aulro.com forum that looked like they were able to adapt it as well.

I'll start with the self-serving portion of this post :), but also just finished the details on a Conversion "Kit" for this conversion that includes the modified Dorman Master Cylinder (replacing original genuine part# STC500100) and a replacement braided stainless-steel hydraulic line (to replace the hard-line Clutch Pipe...original part# NRC8330 for RHD Defender, #NRC8329 for LHD Defender, or #NRC3287 for Series IIA/III):
https://www.seriesdefender.com/all-products/clutch-master-cylinder.html

However, for the DIY folks here's the "scoop" on the what/why/how-to...and I've also included a step-by-step PDF overview that you can download at the bottom of this post as well, but see below for photos and detailed description of the process:


THE ISSUE
The original Clutch Master Cylinder (part# STC500100) on a Land Rover Defender (model year 1983-2006) and Series late-IIA & III (model year 1971-1984) is made from aluminum, and as such is prone to having the inner wall of the cylinder wear over time…creating a situation where the clutch master may leak, and/or the wearing of the wall of the cylinder can also cause contamination of the fluid (turns from a nice clear golden color to a cloudy grayish color). This contamination can/will also cause failure of the downstream Clutch Slave Cylinder (due to the contaminants creating a sludge buildup inside of the slave cylinder). NOTE: the “wear” issue can be amplified by improper or lack of “free-play” adjustment on the Master Cylinder, which is reiterated below in the last step #10…however generally this is only a contributing factor and not a main “cause” of the issue based on prior experience with this master cylinder failure.


THE FIX
Dorman makes a cast-iron master cylinder that is much more robust, and based on the materials (cast iron vs aluminum) are much less prone to the inner wall wearing. As such, you should see little to no fluid contamination over time and likewise should not experience any frequent master cylinder or slave cylinder failure. Though not originally designed to fit the Land Rover Defender, with a few modifications it can be made to fit seamlessly into the Rover clutch pedal housing.


WHAT YOU’LL NEED
• Your original Clutch Master Cylinder (i.e. the one that has failed and/or is leaking).
• Dorman CM106439 Clutch Master Cylinder [note the master has a 7/16"-24 inverted flare fitting].
• Custom braided-stainless hydraulic line made up, approximately 30” in overall length, 3/16”-1/4” inner diameter, with a #4 hydraulic swivel-fitting on one end [which the end fittings are part# FBM1101 / 63-190600-4, and is essentially a 7/16-20 female fitting] and either Option #1 or Option #2 [see below] for the fitting on the other end of the hydraulic line.
• Option #1: Utilize another #4 hydraulic swivel-fitting on the end of the other line, and use a male-male adapter (42° Inverted Flare to 37° Flare) Part# 202124-4-4S to run from flex-line to master cylinder [this is essentially a 7/16-20 to 7/16-24 adapter].

• Option #2: This is a streamlined 2nd version of the hose for this kit, which gets rid of the adapter and does a swivel fitting directly on the end of the braided stainless clutch line. Essentially it is a #4 female swivel-fitting directly on one end, and a 7/16-24 male fitting on the other end. This is what I use in my SDO Conversion Kits.

[NOTE: I included Option #1 since I've found that many hydraulic shops actually can't do the "single" hose option without an adapter...the kit I have does the more streamlined Option #2 with the single hose, but for the DIY folks just wanted to include this Option #1 in case the hydraulic line shop was unable to do a streamlined version of the hose fitting going to the MC]



WHAT YOU’LL DO
Slight modifications to the Dorman Master cylinder, as follows:
1. Cut the “ears” off the Dorman Master just slightly, not much maybe 1/4" total (so 1/8” off each side)…this is just so it will actually fit inside of the clutch housing. The Dorman measures 2-1/16” wide dimensionally, but the Clutch “housing” opening is only 2”…so taking off the 1/4" from the width on the Dorman Clutch Master allows it to fit seamlessly into place:


2. After the ears are cut, you’ll need to “swap” the pushrod from your existing master cylinder to the Dorman master cylinder.

3. Remove the pushrod from your existing/original Clutch Master Cylinder, this can be achieved by removing the rubber “boot” at the end of the Clutch Master. Once the boot is off, you’ll see a circlip holding a washer in place over the pushrod. Remove this circlip and the washer & pushrod will be released from the housing. Retain the original pushrod, other items (washer, circlip, etc) from the old Master can be discarded:


4. Turning to the Dorman Clutch Master, essentially you need to cut the Dorman pushrod in half, harvest the retaining washer, swap that washer over to your original pushrod, and install your original pushrod on the Dorman:


5. On the Dorman, likewise remove the rubber boot to expose the existing circlip/washer/pushrod:


6. Using a pair of snap-ring pliers, remove the circlip so that the pushrod comes out of the Dorman:


7. Once it is separated, you’ll need to “harvest” the washer from the Dorman pushrod so that it can be used with the old pushrod from the Clutch Master. This can be achieved by using a cutting wheel to remove the end of the pushrod:


8. Once this is done, swap over the washer & boot from the Dorman pushrod to the old pushrod:


9. Reinstall the “old” pushrod (with new washer & circlip) back onto the Dorman, refit the boot into place and you’re done!


10. You’re ready to install your new modified Dorman Clutch Master Cylinder into your Defender, fill the system, bleed, and you're good to go!


IMPORTANT: remember to adjust the free-play of your new Dorman Master Cylinder just as you would for installing any new Clutch Master. For your reference we’ve included the workshop manual pages on this procedure here in this document.




PDF DOWNLOAD & SDO "CONVERSION KIT" INFORMATION
I'm also attaching a PDF download of the above instructions here as well:
View attachment SDO Dorman Conversion Write-Up.pdf

And lastly as mentioned above I've got plug-and-play "kits" ready to go for those folks that don't want the hassle of working out the details themselves:
SDO DORMAN CLUTCH MASTER CYLINDER CONVERSION KIT
 
#8 · (Edited)
Out with the old....

Drain the system, then disconnect & remove old/existing hard line (it'll be replaced by the stainless braided):


Move to the footwell, undo the bolts holding the clutch pedal housing:


Remove clutch pedal housing from engine bay (this is where I quietly appreciate the ease of RHD pedal box removal : )


New Dorman & stainless braided flex-line is on-deck ready to be swapped into the pedal housing and then back into the truck:
 
#9 ·
Jason that looks great! Nice write-up. It does look like it would work on S2 clutches, do you know for sure it won't? Does the new hose replace the pipe and the flex hose?

I recently replaced my plastic brake res with a Dorman M71248 all cast iron jobbie. Genocache: Land Rover brake master cylinder alternate

When the time comes for the clutch I'll know where to go!
 
#10 ·
Gene:

Yes, it will definitely work on the late-II clutches as well...those with the "separate" Clutch & Brake Cylinders (i.e. not the earlier ones that have the combined Clutch/Brake reservoir). My '71 IIA has the same style as shown above.

Nice little write-up on the Dorman brake reservoir swap there! Definitely many of us out there that get a little tired of these Rover parts failing :).
 
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Remove the old/original MC...FYI this is what it was starting to look like under the rubber boot. I have no idea how old this particular unit it, but I have flushed it at least twice (once a year) under my ownership and made sure it was properly adjusted for free-play and still then end up crapping out:
 

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Didn't really take too many pics of the wrap-up today, but it's in and freeplay adjusted and test drive complete.

Also, it's about the easiest MC to bleed I've ever seen (experienced the same with the 90 as well). No "helper" and didn't even need to pull out the power bleeder, just let it gravity bleed...close up the slave, give it a few pumps, top up the reservoir, and one more bleed at the slave and it was good-to-go.
 

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#18 ·
The information you guys have is outdated. This is from the most recent published information from Land Rover for a 1995 Defender. This is what you would get if you were to buy Genuine Land Rover brake fluid. In practice it probably doesn't matter, but I'd rather just buy the right fluid from the get go. When the Land Rover fluid isn't available I've bought Pentosin DOT4LV from Advance Auto.

 
#22 ·
DOT3, DOT 4...DOT221...whatever it takes :).

Well, with the Dorman now I've been running dirty dishwater and it's functioning just fine. I may upgrade to dog saliva soon to see how it compares.

All joking aside, like Jeff said it's ridiculous if Rover hydraulics are that finicky...and was one more reason for the swap(s) on my end. I'd love to run something like DOT5 that's silicone based and won't strip away the paint if you spill one damn drop by accident when you're filling things up.
 
#24 ·
The hydraulics are designed and supplied by Lockheed and use the same design and components as every other braking system on every other car. They are just as compatible with regular brake fluids as everything else. There is nothing special being used in a Defender.
 
#26 ·
I see parts come through for a lot of people. I rarely see hydraulics. I really don't believe failures are any higher than any other car if you remove crappy aftermarket parts and poor maintenance from the equation.
 
#29 · (Edited)
Ordered the SDO dorman Kit on Tuesday. Jason was out of town but had it to me by Friday, I was taking the 110 to Lexington Va Today! Kit was complete drop in. I had a dripping clutch pedal and leaking oem master cylinder.


Followed the steps above for my RHD 110. Took about 2 hours. Adjusted and took for a test drive. Great feel and dry as a bone again.


Thanks Lav "SDO"
 

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#32 ·
Good writeup on the master cylinder change. I find they don't last too long, but mine are always decades old. I usually find the seals to fail, rather than aluminum. Having the unit sitting for years, water in the brake fluid, or using synthetic fluid can damage the seals. It has been very difficult to find a non-synthetic DOT3 or DOT4 fluid. The big box autoparts stores didn't have it, I had to find a parts distributor that shops use. I found bottles of " Kleen Flo " DOT3 that expressly were not synthetic.
 
#33 ·
Yeah I was lucky to get 10k miles out of a MC....but admittedly the off-road use probably amplified my issues - though many, many others saw/see similar problems with Rover hydraulics so I know I wasn't alone :).

The other nice thing about the change....as you alluded to, there is no more need to be overly finicky or try to run "special" fluids with the Dorman. While I'm still running the Castrol GT LMA, the reality is any DOT 3/4 would be fine. Many - including myself - found it absolutely annoying to source some particular fluids for the clutch hydraulics. I mean, it's an old Land Rover....not a Maclaren.
 
#34 ·
Further kudos to Jason. I just installed my SDO Dorman kit yesterday. Awesome directions, top notch quality. The braided line is a massive upgrade, and the directions were invaluable (especially for us LHD folks, for which this job is a total PITA). I wouldn't have necessarily had the courage to just unmount the brake booster, but thanks to his directions, it was all "paint by numbers." Clutch is good to go now.

Special bonus for meeting me to pass it off on a Saturday so I could do the work at the father-in-law's fully equipped garage on Sunday.

And to my LHD drive brethren, get yourself a set of these and a nice long extension before taking on this job:
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It makes getting at a bunch of the parts infinitely easier.
 
#36 ·
Just a quick note and a huge thank you to Jason!
Started this morning with the goal to change my clutch cylinder since it's been leaking for some time and I did not want it to let go on the way to the beach loaded and with the kids. After figuring out that I had a brake master cylinder repair kit and not a clutch cylinder repair kit, I called and emailed around to find parts and was told to get in touch with Jason and get a dorman kit.
Fast forward to tonight, my '95 D90 is back up and running. The install was painless (I bought the ki from Jason,no time to look for parts/lines/etc). The new line has a 90 degree angle which makes the install very clean.
I did the install on the truck and only removing the bonnet. I agree with some that large fingers or hands will have a hard time with that approach. I did not skinny a 13mm wrench, only used flat wrenches and sockets (and screwdrivers). Fairly straight forward. Jason gave me the step-by-step guide as well. Since I had taken it apart already, I knew what to expect. I was, however, reminded a -few- times to adjust the free play correctly! ;)

Anyway, a big thank you to Jason for the contribution to the community as well as being so responsive even before a long holiday weekend.