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Old January 28th, 2004, 01:40 AM
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How much winch?

I'm looking to get a winch for my 90 and there are great deals on the Warn M8000 going on right now (I've seen it as low as $400). My only concern is whether this is enough winch for the vehicle. Thoughts?

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Old January 28th, 2004, 03:52 AM
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Prolly fine unless you are lifting the vehicle. But a Superwinch is better. Sometimes people have used ones for sale. Try eBay.
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Old January 28th, 2004, 08:58 AM
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Ours had a M8000 and it did fine the few times we used it. I replaced it with a 9000 though when I had to get a new one.
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Old January 28th, 2004, 09:07 AM
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You'll be fine with the 8000. Just get a snatch block or two to help ease the load and let it perform better.
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Old January 28th, 2004, 11:39 AM
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A winch to be safe needs to twice the fully loaded vehicle weight, including gear and bolt ons. That means 9000, even 9500. Now, you can get away with less with snatch blocks and or not being very stuck. Now, superwinch better than warn? Uhh, let me check, um, no.
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Old January 28th, 2004, 11:44 AM
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Old January 28th, 2004, 11:59 AM
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Mike, I have a Warn 9000, it gets a lot of use, if I replace it I will go up to at least 9500, and I would give the worm drive Superwinch a good look before I buy.
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Old January 28th, 2004, 12:51 PM
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Thanks for the advice. I'll look into superwinches for comparison. For those of you who think they're superior to warn I've gotta ask why - is it just because of the Husky worm drives?
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Old January 28th, 2004, 12:59 PM
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Old January 28th, 2004, 01:15 PM
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47550 12V DC, Roller Fairlead

Rated Line Pull:
9500 lbs. (4309 kgs.) single-line

Motor:
4.6 hp/3.43 kw, Series Wound

Control:
Remote switch, 12' (3.7m) lead

Gear Train:
3-Stage Planetary

Gear Ratio:
156:1

Lubrication:
Molylube #1 or Aeroshell #17

Clutch (freespooling):
Sliding Ring Gear

Brake:
Automatic Direct Drive Cone

Drum Diameter/Length:
2.5"/9.0" (6.4cm/23cm)

Weight:
86 lbs. (39 kgs.)

Wire Rope:
125' 5/16" diameter (38m, 8mm diameter)

Replacement wire rope:
PN 25987

Fairlead:
Roller

Remote Control:
Included

Recommended Battery:
650 CCA minimum for winching

Battery Leads:
2 gauge, 72" (1.83m)

Finish:
Argent Powder Coat

Nuts/Bolts:
PN 37829

Warranty:
Limited Lifetime


HS9500i 12V DC Performance Specifications:



Line Pull
lbs. (kgs.)
Line Speed
Ft./Min (m/min)
Motor
Current
Pull by layer
layer/lbs. (kgs.)



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0
62.0 (18.90)
67 amps
1/9500 (4309)

2000 (907)
16.3 (4.97)
160 amps
2/8650 (3924)

4000 (1814)
11.8 (3.60) )
230 amps
3/7920 (3593)

6000 (2722)
9.31 (2.84)
305 amps
4/7400 (3357)

8000 (3629)
7.59 (2.31)
370 amps
5/6940 (3148)

9500 (4309)
6.67 (2.03)
425 amps

Above specs are based on the first layer of the drum.



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Old January 28th, 2004, 01:29 PM
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Just get the biggest one you can afford -- when you're stuck on the trial at 2am in a loaded truck and you're by yourself and it's sleeting and you can't find the snatch block because it's back at camp, you don't want to have to say "damn, I wish I'd coughed up that extra $100." Skimp on the stereo, don't skimp on the things that may save your butt.

Superwinch's have a knack for burning out solenoids, warns seem to be slightly better, but not great either.

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Old January 28th, 2004, 02:01 PM
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THe latest issue of Four wheeler had a pretty good article about winching and how to calculate how much winch you need depending on ground goo and how deep your vehicle. It also demonstrated techinques for winching around trees and such.
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Old January 28th, 2004, 03:12 PM
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How much winch will depend a lot on who you talk to. Industry standard says 1.5 times loaded vehicle weight.

IMHO, the Warn 8274-50 is the best winch ever made. Its rated at 8k lbs, is serviceable, has an external brake (read: can use plasma rope without worry of frying it & you can't wear the brake out), can easily hold 125' of 3/8th cable (or rope) & is among the fastest of the fast winches.

the Husky's are good, but are way too slow.

If weight is a big concern or you don't have much space, go with a planetary .... though, I try to avoid them. Worm drives (huskys) and spur gears (8274) are just more durable than planetarys will ever be.
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Old January 28th, 2004, 06:25 PM
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I was just given an ARB and always liked the Husky. Am I out of luck? I reall reading way back that it can only hold planetaries.
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I have to cast my vote for Warn also, soley based on my experience with my X-9 which I toasted after about 5 years of ahem...'moderate' use.
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I have a 8274-50 from the 70's on my series truck and its a tank. You cant kill it.


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Old January 28th, 2004, 11:36 PM
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If you want a fast one get the Husky 8. If you want to winch semi trucks out of the grand canyon, get a 10.

Superwinch has been the choice of Land Rover all the years before they were taken over by foreigners. If that's not enough, John Lee has studied the differences to excess...

https://www.expeditionexchange.com/superwinch/
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The first LR Camel Trophy event in 1981 sported the RR with a 8274 Warn, not Superwinch. Even with this truth, the first winch for a Land Rover was probably the Capstan or Koenig.
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Old January 29th, 2004, 01:24 AM
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I was just given an ARB and always liked the Husky. Am I out of luck? I reall reading way back that it can only hold planetaries.
You can fit an 8274 with 1.5" spacers (I still have set laying around ... you can have them for shipping + box).

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Old January 29th, 2004, 03:54 AM
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OK well if we are going to start talking about "proof" or high truths, may I present some evidence...

Most people don't realize that Superwinch (makers of the Husky winch) are the same outfit as Fairey, who made the overdrives for series trucks also.

Yes DJ on CT - they used WARNS on accident a couple of times. I'm talking about factory Land Rover offerings spanning many years, starting with (yes ) Koenig and capstan-style winches, of SUPERWINCH (FAIREY) manufacture, starting in the 1940s and 50s, then of course being the first electric winch offered by Land Rover as a factory option starting with the Series II, IIA and then III.

The legacy of Superwinch and Land Rover is indisputable.

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