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Old January 7th, 2016, 12:53 PM
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Hey everyone, I'm a fairly new member and I hope this is in the right spot. I have been looking for a LHD 110 200TDI for awhile now. I wanted something un-restored or maybe just mildly restored that was as rust free and as complete as possible. I want to make this my daily driver (I don't do much highway driving). I own a couple of old British cars (68 XKE and 58 MGA), so this should complete the collection. I think I know what I am getting into. I found this car in Nashville. It is a Defender 109 (Santana). I know these generally aren't more valuable than a regular Defender, but it checks the boxes. It has been converted to a 200 TDI which worries me a little (quality of conversion), but I was wondering if there is someone that is good in the Nashville area that can do a PPI. I would pay for this. I've included some pictures of the undercarriage. Thanks for everyone's help and I look forward to becoming more active as I undergo this endeavor...
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Old January 7th, 2016, 12:56 PM
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a santana is a long way apart from a defender. Drive one of ea and you will agree there is no comparison.
The engine pictured is not a 200 tdi. Were the pictures taken prior to the conversion ?
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Old January 7th, 2016, 01:06 PM
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Long as in stay away..... or Long as in you better get a good deal on it to compensate for it not being a true defender. I have been having trouble finding anything that fits what I am looking for within my budget. I guess that's the age old problem.... Ideal situation would be a excellent condition white LHD with the 200 TDI that I can drive as it is and maintain / upgrade as time goes on. I'm in the middle of a full restoration on my XKE and I don't want a second one right now, especially if I plan on using it as my daily driver. I also don't want one of the many "restored" Landy's for fear of what I would be getting.
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Old January 7th, 2016, 01:08 PM
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What are you looking for and what is your budget? That truck doesn't look "excellent condition" to me.
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Old January 7th, 2016, 01:13 PM
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Long as in stay away.....
Do you understand what is a "Santana"?
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Old January 7th, 2016, 01:25 PM
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This is all backwards.

1. You want a 110, but you are considering a Santana
2. You are "worried" because it's a 200tdi

Also, based on your post, clearly there is a disconnect between reality and what your brain thinks you're seeing. This means that your perception of reality is distorted. Usually this happens when you're in a hurry to buy and you'll pretty much buy anything.

You really need to start at square zero, wipe your memory banks, and reboot your rover knowledge before buying anything.

Sounds like you have money burning a hole in your pocket. It's hard to keep that kind of thing in your pants, but you'll have to try.
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Old January 7th, 2016, 01:27 PM
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Brakes, springs/suspension,steering, interior etc all leave quite a bit to be desired when compared to a defender. The santana's I have seen have significantly worse body panel fitment etc and overall the trucks struck me as some
what shoddy. YMMV
That diesel engine pictured does not appear to be turbo charged so is likely 68hp or less.
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Old January 7th, 2016, 02:42 PM
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This an excerpt from the seller: ".previously purchased out of Spain, and although the original engine had less than 60,000 miles on the odometer, the previous owner decided to replace that engine gearbox and transfer case so this "new" vehicle now has a young 200Di engine with an Ashcroft rebuilt LT230 with 1.003 ratio, and an Ashcroft R380-50A with short bell housing. The tires have very low miles on them, and there are two working fuel tanks; one in the rear as usual, and a second sitting under the front passenger seat."

I don't have money burning a hole in my pocket, at least until I win the power ball tonight. I understand the fundamental difference between the Defenders and the Santana, but now I see the difference as far as the drive train goes and will exclude any Santana's from my search. I don't think the seller is being dishonest about the car, I just don't think they have a clue what it is really. They have it listed as a 90 Defender. I'm still learning the intricacies of this car. Ask me about an XKE or an MGA and I sound much more intelligent. I'm still learning here.

I think it is funny that someone said that the Defender ride is plush in comparison. I've never heard the word plush and defender in the same sentence before.

Answering the question about what I would like to spend, I was thinking in the $30's. Higher for a good example, lower for something that has some strikes against it. I'm not looking for a trailer queen, but I want something that is dependable.....well at least as dependable as a British vehicle gets. I don't mind updating an interior or improving the suspension / handling, etc. I just don't want something that needs a frame off restoration. At least not yet.
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Old January 7th, 2016, 02:50 PM
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For that price you should be able to find a decent 110 with a 200tdi as opposed to a Series truck with an older diesel and leaf sprung suspension.


By the way, the descriptions are accurate in calling the Defender ride "plush" as compared to the leafers. The coil spring suspension was a significant improvement. With your budget and expectations, I'd hold out for a 110/Defender.
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Old January 7th, 2016, 02:51 PM
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Answering the question about what I would like to spend, I was thinking in the $30's. .
I would pay $7-8k for the above Santana....except I wouldnt because I dont want a Santana at all.
You can do better.


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Old January 7th, 2016, 02:55 PM
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OK, so you're a quick study re the idea of buying a Santana...but why is it that you want a 200tdi? And if you want an unmolested LHD & you have $30k to spend, you might want to contact "johan" here on DS?
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Old January 7th, 2016, 03:02 PM
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Seller is full of lies based on the description you provide versus pictures provided.

Walk away fast to Green Mountain Rover or Uncle Douglas on the board,
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Old January 7th, 2016, 03:13 PM
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I contacted Johan and he said that he might have something brewing that he will let me know about in a week or so.

I wanted the 200 tdi b/c of the cult following behind this engine. Honestly, I don't know much about working on a diesel engine, but I like to read at night and I'm a quick learner. So far that has seemed to work on my other cars. I don't want to start a war between the 300 / 200 people, but b/c of the import rules, I wouldn't be bringing in a 300 for awhile and I really don't want to do a major engine / drive train swap right off the bat.

Oh.... and another caveat... I will be towing about a 4800 lb ski boat (my wife is very loving and allows me certain extravagances in life). I tow it from the storage place, to the lake, and back, which is about 8 total miles. I read that for short distances like this, I should be fine. I believe the tow weight is around 3200 kg?? I tow the boat now with a 6 cylinder (no 4wd) 4 runner and don't have any issues. I wouldn't tow it across the state, but for my purposes it seems to work fine.

My 3 young kids are already calling dibs on which row of seats they get.
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Old January 7th, 2016, 03:17 PM
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If you want a truck with a 200tdi...by all means, get one. They're enjoyable engines. That is not a 200tdi pictured.

300tdi will have more parts availability....
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Oh.... and another caveat... I will be towing about a 4800 lb ski boat (my wife is very loving and allows me certain extravagances in life). I tow it from the storage place, to the lake, and back, which is about 8 total miles.
Towing 4800lbs should be fine with a Defender Tdi as long as it is downhill both ways...


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Old January 7th, 2016, 06:30 PM
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No worries about a 200/300tdi war. There isn't one.

If you plan on towing, then I would think that a 2.25 petrol, 2.5nad, and 2.5td are all out of the question. You're really limited to V8's and 200tdi/300tdi's just because of the towing requirement.

For a truck in the $30's, you should be able to have a brand spanking newly rebuilt, 0 mile 300tdi under the bonnet. Just my opinion.

Reality check: A brand new 2016 Toyota Tacoma TRD Quad-Cab off-road V6 4x4 is well within your budget.
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Old January 7th, 2016, 06:41 PM
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I know... I know... I love my 4 runner. Best suv I've ever owned......but.....boring as hell. It starts every time. Fairly quiet. Has a/c.... Auto... I'll tell you what I told my wife. I'm only on this earth for a short period of time. I want to drive something fun and interesting. I don't want to look to my right at a stop light and see The same car I'm driving in a different color. When I'm old, I'll get a big Lexus that parks itself (and will probably drive itself), but until then I want to enjoy what I drive......until......I doesn't start one morning... New cars have lost their luster with me.
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Old January 7th, 2016, 07:20 PM
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^^ that is great motivation right there, stancey ^^

A jeep rubicon can do everything a Defender does but you can get yours mixed up in the Walmart parking lot with all the other ones

keep searching and ask more questions...


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Here's another option; contact one(or all) of the many importers on here, get a nice one(stock) from Europe or OZ and have a 200 dropped into it here. Probably still have cash in yer wallet after!
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Wishing a Perentie suited you....
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