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Old March 22nd, 2013, 12:35 PM
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Help! Stuck at DD, 200tdi won't start

Went to turn the key and nothing. Then arcing sounds from behind the speedo and smoke. Took the panel off and saw the the heater cable wore thru and was making contact with the ignition switch wires. Is there a fuse somewhere? I looked in the centre.fuse box but none are labelled starter...
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 12:57 PM
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I don't think so. You probably fried a wire. It is just a straight wire from the ignition switch to the starter solenoid.
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 02:06 PM
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Yes, I think you're right, fried wire. Had to get it towed. Fun fun.
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I'm guessing a manual transmission. If so, have you tried to push start it? If you can my money is on a failed starter solenoid. If not it is probably the ignition switch.
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 04:14 PM
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After getting into it I found the heater cable was rubbing on the ignition switch and finally wore through causing a short which must have fried a wire.
People were still saying what a cool vehicle it was despite it being loaded up on a flat-bed!
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 05:53 PM
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Good time to learn to jump start your own vehicle! With a few feet of wire and a connector or two you could have had that thing started and running in about 5 minutes and saved yourself the tow.

Fuel shut off solenoid power

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Jump the starter solenoid right at the starter
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 06:33 PM
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Good time to learn to jump start your own vehicle! With a few feet of wire and a connector or two you could have had that thing started and running in about 5 minutes and saved yourself the tow.

Fuel shut off solenoid power

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Jump the starter solenoid right at the starter
Maybe. But if he shorted one of the feeds to the ignition switch, you would need to find and disconnect that wire to avoid further damage. It is all straight unprotected wiring.

There is no need to jump start. A light push and they will run as long as you have some voltage for the fuel solenoid.
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I was going to push start it but not really knowing if having the ignition on could start a fire I decided to play it safe. The snapping arcing and smoke pouring out behind the speedo got to me. I wasn't out in the bush and I had my dog shivering in the back! I will get some wire and a wiring diagram in my tool kit for the next time though....
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I was going to push start it but not really knowing if having the ignition on could start a fire I decided to play it safe. The snapping arcing and smoke pouring out behind the speedo got to me. I wasn't out in the bush and I had my dog shivering in the back! I will get some wire and a wiring diagram in my tool kit for the next time though....
Get some 1/4" fuel line and slit it with a razor blade length wise and slide it over the shorting heater cable and fasten it with zip ties around the cable.

Then disconnect the white with red wire from the IG SW. Disconnect the white with red wire from the small connection on the starter as well. Pull the hand brake and put the vehicle in NEUTRAL. Make sure it is in NEUTRAL, then check again. Turn the IG on. Take a smallish wire with both ends stripped and touch one end to the big lead on the starter where the battery cable connects and touch the other end to the small spade that you took the white with red wire off. Does the engine spin? If yes you are half way there.

Go under the dash and take a razor blade and extract the white with red wire from the harness by slitting the wrapping and pulling the wire out. Chances are if it fried it melted across other wires and is causing connections among disparate circuits and has to be extracted to remove shorts. Once removed, run a new wire from the starter SW lead on the IG SW to the small starter spade.

Presto problem fixed.

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I was going to push start it but not really knowing if having the ignition on could start a fire I decided to play it safe. The snapping arcing and smoke pouring out behind the speedo got to me. I wasn't out in the bush and I had my dog shivering in the back! I will get some wire and a wiring diagram in my tool kit for the next time though....
you did the right thing. Molten plastic burns well. Your entire rig was @ risk. Once a fire gets going burning the plastic insulation it moves faster than you could dissasemble things with a screw driver to get in there with an extiguisher. Ask me how I know.....
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i did forget to say that based on the conditions I would leave the ignition switch off to start and drive it. Electrical power to the fuel solenoid only.

This would have gotten you home without incident but it would have been without headlights/brakelights/instrument panel.

Just food for future thought. In a pinch this is what I would have done, not that you would have to do the same.
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This would have gotten you home without incident but it would have been without headlights/brakelights/instrument panel.
Yes, because driving without indicators and brake lights is a smart, safe, legal idea.
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Ever been to Boston? Wouldnt make much difference really.
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Steering column lock???

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i did forget to say that based on the conditions I would leave the ignition switch off to start and drive it. Electrical power to the fuel solenoid only.

This would have gotten you home without incident but it would have been without headlights/brakelights/instrument panel.

Just food for future thought. In a pinch this is what I would have done, not that you would have to do the same.
Would the steering column lock at the first turn of the wheel?
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Would the steering column lock at the first turn of the wheel?
Yep.

Towing was the smart move.

Had the steering lock fall into place while I was driving once... exciting
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