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Old September 5th, 2016, 07:25 PM
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Headlights Out

Ugh.. main beam headlights went out and I have to drive home in the dark tomorrow. Looking for quick pointers of the wires to jump to get always-on lights to get me home

Here's some context:

History:
- 1997 NAS SW
- light switch was replaced in 2014 from a new part from Rovers North
- indicator switch was replaced in 2011 using a new part bought from RN in 2008

Symptoms:
Main-beam headlights are not working, and always-on high-beam also does not work. When I pull back the stalk the flash / high-beams work OK. Side markers, dash lights are all fine.

When I first noticed the main beam was out - a sequence of pushing the indicator stalk forward to high then back to flash seemed to fix things and leave the normally running lights on. This worked for a few days, but doesn't seem to anymore.

Checked fuses they are fine, I assume I don't have a pink "dim-dip" relay on a 97 NAS - but haven't looked for it.

I'm guessing it's the indicator stalk at fault given the few days of getting things to come on with it doing to the forward-backwards trick. Also because it's the most expensive part and that's sods-law There's a bunch of wires coming off it - anyone know what colors I need to short in order to get a temporary fix?
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Old September 5th, 2016, 07:45 PM
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Still no relay in the headlight system?

You've burnt out another switch.
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Old September 5th, 2016, 07:55 PM
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LEDs or a relay harness is the only way to roll.
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Old September 5th, 2016, 08:16 PM
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I suspect you are right. New proline part on it's way from RN (I can't stomach the $269 OEM sticker), any ideas what I can direct-wire in the meantime? My repair manual doesn't have any wiring info.
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Old September 5th, 2016, 10:28 PM
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Quit getting soaked by RN !! Buy this from Trevor at Rovahfarm....

Combination Switch - Indicator, Horn, Headlamp, Dip
Ref: PRC3875 / Price $39.00
Application: Defender 90, 110 & 130 - 1983 onwards to GA455945 1987 - NAS 90 up to TA999171

You also need this to stop the problem permanently ......

H4 Headlight Relay Wiring Harness Extra Long 2 Head Lamp Systems 7" Round 6 | eBay
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Old September 5th, 2016, 10:29 PM
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X2 on Trevor. I burnt out one switch and installed relays for the headlights before the second one saw juice.
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Old September 5th, 2016, 10:37 PM
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The relay-harness is only if i keep the original lamps, right? I'm all good switching to Truck-Lite LED 27270C's as part of my long-term fix...
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Old September 5th, 2016, 10:43 PM
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The relay-harness is only if i keep the original lamps, right? I'm all good switching to Truck-Lite LED 27270C's as part of my long-term fix...
The relay harness pictured on eBay is plug and play no additional wiring required, simply unplug the leads to your the back of your headlamps and plug in the harness. Problem solved.

PS cancel that order with RN !! And get the part from Trevor !
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Old September 5th, 2016, 11:11 PM
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The harness is a good idea no matter what headlights you run. Your switches will last longer.
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Old September 6th, 2016, 01:54 PM
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Thanks to this handy-dandy 97 NAS wiring diagram:

The correct answer for anyone in such a future pickle is to connect BLUE and BLUE-RED wires together. Or, as you look at the multi-plug - it's pins 1 & 6 on this attached picture.


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Cut and wirenutted together things are good (except I'm bypassing full-time high-beams, but don't care about that), and I'm all set for long drive home tonight.

RN order cancelled, new parts on their way from Trevor. LED headlamps coming from Amzn and relay harness on the way. Hopefully get things all back to normal by next week.

Thanks for the help chaps.
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Old September 7th, 2016, 10:54 AM
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Quit getting soaked by RN !! Buy this from Trevor at Rovahfarm....

Ouch!

RN offers an affordable relay alternative...

PERFORMANCE HEADLAMP HARNESS, RNA0330 - Rovers North - Classic Land Rover Parts

I do buy some parts from Trevor, too and he has great knowledge and prices.


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Old September 7th, 2016, 11:08 AM
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Or wire up your own!

-One male and two female H4 connectors
-Some 12 AWG wire for power and some 18 AWG for the relays
- 12 and 18 AWG Terminal connectors
-12 and 18 AWG Ring connectors for power and ground
- waterproof fuse/relay box from hella, littelfuse, or cooper bussman and assorted fuse/relay terminals with gaskets
-one relay for high beams, one for low beams, and one for your driving lights if you want to integrate them
-terminal crimper
-a dash of time, two scoops of planning, and a teaspoon of patience.

For the price of a relay (more or less), you can have a relay harness that you are proud of, gain some electrical confidence, and have the parts on hand to tackle electrical projects in the future!
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Old September 7th, 2016, 11:10 AM
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Quit getting soaked by RN !! Buy this from Trevor at Rovahfarm....

Combination Switch - Indicator, Horn, Headlamp, Dip
Ref: PRC3875 / Price $39.00
Application: Defender 90, 110 & 130 - 1983 onwards to GA455945 1987 - NAS 90 up to TA999171

You also need this to stop the problem permanently ......

H4 Headlight Relay Wiring Harness Extra Long 2 Head Lamp Systems 7" Round 6 | eBay
We can order that garbage version in for him, too!
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Old September 7th, 2016, 06:09 PM
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Thanks to this handy-dandy 97 NAS wiring diagram:

The correct answer for anyone in such a future pickle is to connect BLUE and BLUE-RED wires together. Or, as you look at the multi-plug - it's pins 1 & 6 on this attached picture.

Attachment 157062

Cut and wirenutted together things are good (except I'm bypassing full-time high-beams, but don't care about that), and I'm all set for long drive home tonight.

RN order cancelled, new parts on their way from Trevor. LED headlamps coming from Amzn and relay harness on the way. Hopefully get things all back to normal by next week.

Thanks for the help chaps.
Which LED headlights did you get? Truck Lites?
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I'm using JW Speaker and am unsure if I like LED bulbs better than halogen. The LEDs make a lot of light up close but they don't appear to illuminate out as far as halogen bulbs do. He is doing a bulb swap and not a headlamp swap but I am also seeing what he is finding.

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Old September 7th, 2016, 06:20 PM
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Which LED headlights did you get? Truck Lites?
My suggestion beyond price comparisons is to watch this video series and understand pattern differences between all of the option as that may matter to each person: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...24UzBKHGQEoX7D
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