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Old February 9th, 2016, 11:56 AM
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OEM, not genuine.
Says genuine on their website?
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Never seen a MLS gasket for a pre-tdi LR engine. This old cast iron block goes back to the 1950's. Didn't need the MLS technology back then and likely doesn't need it now. They are nice for the more modern engines with tighter tolerances, higher combustion pressures, and different materials. Not so much needed for the old tractor engines.

The gasket pictured would probably work fine in a pinch. But I wouldn't use it. And composite gasket from any of the usual suspects ought to be fine.


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That sucks. Sorry mate. Out of curiosity, does victor reinz not make an MLS head gasket for this engine? Even the genuine gasket looks pretty weak
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Says genuine on their website?
It says "Head Gasket Elring 2.25 All". It is a Elring branded gasket in an Elring package, which is OEM. "Genuine" means it is in Land Rover packaging. The "G" at the end of the part number indicates it is an OEM part.

I'm not saying that is bad. I'm just clarifying. OEM and Genuine mean different things. It is useful to know the difference when purchasing things.
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Old February 9th, 2016, 12:17 PM
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Never seen a MLS gasket for a pre-tdi LR engine.
MLS? Where?

Pretty sure all OEM gaskets up to the TDIs are composite.
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Not sure what you are asking, Red.

I was responding to Ed's assertion that the pictured gasket was inferior due to not being MLS. My reply was that to the bes tof my knowledge, MLS weren't used and may not exist for pre-tdi engines. There is a MLS head gasket now for Tdi engines though I was not under the impression they left the factory with one. Perhaps maybe the later maxion engines? I dunno...



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MLS? Where?

Pretty sure all OEM gaskets up to the TDIs are composite.
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Old February 9th, 2016, 01:28 PM
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Not sure what you are asking, Red.

I was responding to Ed's assertion that the pictured gasket was inferior due to not being MLS. My reply was that to the bes tof my knowledge, MLS weren't used and may not exist for pre-tdi engines. There is a MLS head gasket now for Tdi engines though I was not under the impression they left the factory with one. Perhaps maybe the later maxion engines? I dunno...
Ahh, I see now. When you put the quote under your message, it looks like a signature and I don't read signatures.
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Ah, ok. I just double checked yours.

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Ahh, I see now. When you put the quote under your message, it looks like a signature and I don't read signatures.
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It says "Head Gasket Elring 2.25 All". It is a Elring branded gasket in an Elring package, which is OEM. "Genuine" means it is in Land Rover packaging. The "G" at the end of the part number indicates it is an OEM part.

I'm not saying that is bad. I'm just clarifying. OEM and Genuine mean different things. It is useful to know the difference when purchasing things.
I think that we're looking at different things. The one I am looking at is at Engine/Gearbox/T-Case - Pangolin 4x4: THE Leafsprung Resource

and says "Cylinder head gasket for 2.25L petrol, Genuine, New/Old Stock, composite. Part #ERC6380"
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Old February 9th, 2016, 04:00 PM
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I think that we're looking at different things. The one I am looking at is at Engine/Gearbox/T-Case - Pangolin 4x4: THE Leafsprung Resource

and says "Cylinder head gasket for 2.25L petrol, Genuine, New/Old Stock, composite. Part #ERC6380"

I was talking about Ignotus' post, which is what I posted the OEM, not genuine comment in response to.
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Rovahfarm has 3 price/quality range choices with genuine being @ $22.
http://search.cartserver.com/search/...c6380&go=GO%21
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ahhhhhhhh. But this post is about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


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Thanks Dave - it makes sense that this engine is so old that the Elring composite is about as good as it gets.

I'm too much into new stuff sometimes
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It really dosnt matter what the HG is made from but composite is preferred because it'll show signs of imminent failure earlier and they seal somewhat better if you have a wonky head or block. In short they're idiot proof! THOES are the reasons why LR changed to composite! If you want a head gasket that never blows then you can have a custom steel or copper one made but then you'll crack your block or head before the HG gives "racing" & primitive engine style! The important parts of a HG are the rings around the cylinders / coolant / oil openings and everything elce is there just to hold them in place!

The cylinder ring pictured is designed to "crush" thereby making a seal. It dosnt look like its crushed all the way in pic and is usable if you straighten it out as best as you can, keeping the shape and size. You can use copper head gasket spray on the block and the head where the damaged portion is and it'll be perfectly fine!
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Must add that repairs unless done properly won't replace a new HG.............
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OEM, not genuine.
From what I understand the "G" behind the part number stands for "genuine". Hence the comment. Yes, the OEM can be stuck in a different package with a different brand on it and charged double for the item.
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So needed some parts and decided to experiment with Paddock.
Here's what I did.
Ordered some TDI gaskets and an exhaust manifold to see if they would destroy the gaskets.
Had the order insured and before it left sent the following, here is the interesting email thread that I am sure you'll get a kick out of:

Tom - Paddock Spares <tom@paddocks...

Today at 7:35 AM

ToRobert Davis

Thank you,

Tom - Customer Advisor

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On 23 February 2016 at 12:31, Robert Davis <rdavisinva@... wrote:

Gavin

From: Tom - Paddock Spares <tom@paddocks...
To: Robert Davis <rdavisinva...
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:54 AM


Subject: Re: Order ref: Davis (USA) 365409 / 1652987 + add on

Hello

I am very sorry for the inconvenience caused. I will arrange to get a replacement sent out. On the outside of the packaging there should be a sticker with the name of the person who packed the order - can I have the name please?

Tom - Customer Advisor

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On 23 February 2016 at 02:11, Robert Davis <rdavisinva@y...

Tom:

So today I open the box and sure enough the exhaust manifold is sitting on top of the gaskets.

The TDI head gasket is destroyed with a slit through the surface as well as being bent out of shape.

Please read my note below sent February 17th.


Note the attached pictures that show the white background cut clear through the TDI head gasket.

Please send me another 2 hole TDI head gasket.

Robert


From: Robert Davis <rdavisinva...
To: Tom - Paddock Spares <tom@paddock...
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:13 AM

Subject: Re: Order ref: Davis (USA) 365409 / 1652987 + add on

That makes it easier... send and you shall receive payment.

Please Please Please include insurance and make 100% sure the items are packed to minimize damage.

That is plenty of packing material...

Don't have the exhaust manifold sitting on top of the gaskets where they are ruined before the box leaves your building, please.

Last time I placed an order over half the items were damaged.

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Almost an identical conversation to mine lol. Even down to ratting out the guy who packed it, which obviously hasn't helped. I ended up overnight shipping the parts that I needed from somewhere else so I turned down their replacement offer and "Tom" offered me discounted shipping off my next order. I already had placed the next order and they just sent me the shipping quote today, but it's not like I can really be sure if they're actually discounting the shipping or not.
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update: he forgot. I reminded him that I was owed discounted shipping, he didn't recall offering me it, so I sent him a screenshot of his message. They're discounting shipping by 50%
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Almost an identical conversation to mine lol. Even down to ratting out the guy who packed it, which obviously hasn't helped. I ended up overnight shipping the parts that I needed from somewhere else so I turned down their replacement offer and "Tom" offered me discounted shipping off my next order. I already had placed the next order and they just sent me the shipping quote today, but it's not like I can really be sure if they're actually discounting the shipping or not.
Did Gavin pack your order?

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update: he forgot. I reminded him that I was owed discounted shipping, he didn't recall offering me it, so I sent him a screenshot of his message. They're discounting shipping by 50%
Well at least you'll get back something, how about a replacement gasket as well?
Make sure your latest order is insured, so when the next round of damaged goods show you can file a legitimate claim.
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I'm beginning to believe they don't give a rats ass when they ship to the US.

All my parts were rattling inside the box without any protection.

I ordered part that I don't care if they get tossed around.
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I have never ordered anything from Paddock ever. I ordered some stuff from the other 'addock and it showed up 6 months later on a Sunday.

I order most of my UK stuff from Dingocroft. Never had any issues, short of one or two incorrect or missing parts which were rectified at no additional cost to me.

I've visited the shop and met Tim and the crew. Its a small operation so less chance of your stuff getting screwed up. They are one of the best in UK mail order and the attitude is a galaxy far, far away from the usual UK lack of customer service.

Examples would be a full power steering box with drop arm shipped along with a radiator. No problems whatsoever.

Plus they are all upside down which is kinda cool. Sigh...
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