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Old October 16th, 2006, 08:35 PM
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Has anyone installed Webasto or Espar heater?

Getting ready for winter and I want to install a coolant heater in my 300Tdi and wonder if anyone has actually done this?
what did you install and more importantly where did you get it? URLs would be helpful...
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Old October 16th, 2006, 09:05 PM
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You might ping Sheki on this board, I believe he did one. I've been considering whether to install one as well. The engine just does not heat up fast enough.
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Old October 17th, 2006, 09:50 AM
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Yes, An Espar. Very nice piece of equipment. Sounds like a jet engine when it is firing up (just so you don't have to change you underwear when you first turn it on, like I did).

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some info on espar here:

http://www.lubricationspecialist.com...html=espar.htm

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http://www.espar.com/pdfs/hydronic4_5.pdf
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Old October 17th, 2006, 11:17 PM
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Yes, An Espar. Very nice piece of equipment. Sounds like a jet engine when it is firing up (just so you don't have to change you underwear when you first turn it on, like I did).
The first time I fired it up, I thought I had converted the truck into a Harrier Jet. Thought the truck was going to take off.
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Old October 17th, 2006, 11:36 PM
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Yes, An Espar. Very nice piece of equipment. Sounds like a jet engine when it is firing up (just so you don't have to change you underwear when you first turn it on, like I did).
Do you crap your pants when jets fly by?
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Old October 18th, 2006, 07:46 AM
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can you guys describe exactly where the espar unit gets mounted in the engine compartment? also, do you need to drop the fuel tank and run new fuel supply lines to it?
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Old October 18th, 2006, 12:48 PM
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Do you crap your pants when jets fly by?
Yes, but if they're that close, the afterburners usually take of the mess.

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This is for a Discovery, but you can do a search on this forum for "International HS2.8L", choose the thread that is very long (20 some pgs). Go to pg. 20, and there you will find a picture of a Discovery's engine bay
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Old October 18th, 2006, 10:42 PM
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Michael,
are those bright blue hoses leading to the espar unit by the coolant overflow tank?
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Old October 19th, 2006, 01:26 PM
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are those bright blue hoses leading to the espar unit by the coolant overflow tank?
Yes. I apologize for not specifying that. It is oriented "flat" as it would be if the unit was set on a table. At first, I was no sure if it would work this high up in the coolant circuit, but it does
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Old October 20th, 2006, 07:03 PM
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Alright, can one or both of you post some close-up pics of your Espar?

Btw, anyone used their aux cabin heater?
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Old October 20th, 2006, 10:11 PM
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I second David's request...also as a note about my shopping...one supplier suggested that the espar 5 was easier to mount because it comes in two smaller units that are easier to fit than the "smaller" espar hydronic 4 which is the smallest one piece unit...anyone know more about this?
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Old October 30th, 2006, 12:55 PM
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I'd also appreciate any info on the install with respect to fuel supply on a 300 TDI. Did you run a new line from the tank or did you T-off the existing line, and if so where did you T-off from????

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Old October 30th, 2006, 01:21 PM
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Will post some close-ups by this weekend of mine.

I Teed from the existing fuel line, the one from the fuel filter to the fuel pump. In this configuration, the unit might not work while driving as the engines fuel pump wins the battle at the T. I did not plan on using it while driving, so I did it this easy way,

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I second David's request...also as a note about my shopping...one supplier suggested that the espar 5 was easier to mount because it comes in two smaller units that are easier to fit than the "smaller" espar hydronic 4 which is the smallest one piece unit...anyone know more about this?
I have the D5, and it is just a one piece unit from 2003 model year. I am not familiar with the two-piece units.
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Old October 30th, 2006, 03:50 PM
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Will post some close-ups by this weekend of mine.

I Teed from the existing fuel line, the one from the fuel filter to the fuel pump. In this configuration, the unit might not work while driving as the engines fuel pump wins the battle at the T. I did not plan on using it while driving, so I did it this easy way,

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I have the D5, and it is just a one piece unit from 2003 model year. I am not familiar with the two-piece units.
I read in the manual that the Espar's pump was not to be on the pressurized side of the lift pump. I'm not sure if that only applies to the gasoline models or the diesel versions as well. Just wondering if it might cause fuel to leak into the Espar when the engine is running.

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Old October 31st, 2006, 01:17 AM
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I have an older D5 on it's way to me now and I've been doing some research, if you're interested I have a diagram showing the install into the military defender's if that would help. I was told to tee off of the engine bay fuel filter.
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Old October 31st, 2006, 07:32 AM
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Mike...Yes! very interested in that info...can you scan and email or fax? I am really interested in the fact that they T off in the engine bay and don't mess with dropping the fuel tank and so on...
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Old October 31st, 2006, 08:46 AM
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I would give the ESPAR its own pickup in the fuel tank to keep the formation of air bubbles from starting. The fuel line is a pain to bleed out . If you tee in up high it will continue to form air bubbles after the initial bleeding.

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Old October 31st, 2006, 10:30 AM
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Mike...Yes! very interested in that info...can you scan and email or fax? I am really interested in the fact that they T off in the engine bay and don't mess with dropping the fuel tank and so on...
thanks!
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I'm also interested Mike.

Thanks, Tom
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I have scoured through my manuals and gotten what I could find. I have the rave manual for the Wolf and that had the most info, 12 pages worth. I have them in jpg format and would be happy to send them along.

I mentioned someone Teeing off in the engine bay, but I can't find that info. What the Wolf does is take the fuel from one of the unused taps on the sedimentor at the back of the truck and pumps it forward.
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Old November 2nd, 2006, 11:07 AM
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Mike,

Thanks for posting the diagram. I should have done it this way instead of cutting a nice stainless steel mesh covered fuel line.
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