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Old October 29th, 2007, 10:11 PM
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Hello,

My name is John. I have a 1963 SIIa. I'm wondering the best route to convert my rear door to a half door/tailgate. I know this is probably a stupidly easy question for you guys, but I'm new to rovers. Thanks in advance.

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Old October 29th, 2007, 10:46 PM
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Hello,

My name is John. I have a 1963 SIIa. I'm wondering the best route to convert my rear door to a half door/tailgate. I know this is probably a stupidly easy question for you guys, but I'm new to rovers. Thanks in advance.

John
Hi John, welcome to Rover-ownership.
I think you're looking for this...
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Old October 29th, 2007, 11:06 PM
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John, interested in hearing the answer as I'd like to do this too on my 110. I believe the drop down tailgates are cheap (NAS style are expensive) and then you'll need something like the lift hatch on the NAS fiberglass tops.
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Old October 30th, 2007, 05:17 AM
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John, interested in hearing the answer as I'd like to do this too on my 110. I believe the drop down tailgates are cheap (NAS style are expensive) and then you'll need something like the lift hatch on the NAS fiberglass tops.
No, you just need the POE style lift gate.

There are lots of threads here about it:

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=11092

http://www.defendersource.com/discus...s/16/1991.html
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Old October 30th, 2007, 08:56 AM
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Thanks Jim!

Art, i don't know about the tailgate in that pdf, but they no longer offer those 2 piece doors.

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Old October 30th, 2007, 10:06 AM
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I dont understand the wiseowl catalog. Its got stuff in it they dont sell.

Why do you want to put a clamshell set up on Janey? Fancy making a shooting brake out of her? IIRC the tailgate mounts are on the x-member.
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Old October 30th, 2007, 10:12 AM
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What's a shooting brake?

I don't know if it will ever happen, but I like the idea of being able to remove the top (and door tops) and run it as a convertible in the summer. I'm not overly concerned about roll cages or anything fancy like the ECR beach runner setups (or even any kind of proper soft top), but would need 2 piece middle doors, 2 piece rear door, properly support the pillar between the doors, and provide some sort of seatbelt mount point as well I guess.
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Old October 30th, 2007, 10:48 AM
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Its station wagon with a fold down tailgate that can be used to lay out your shotguns when you're out blasting birds.

It will be an easy thing to do, but it might be just as easy to swap the door for a tailgate if you ever went topless. Saves buying the upper piece.
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Old October 30th, 2007, 11:03 AM
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That would certainly work, and cheaper I guess. Although I think in the long run it will be more hassle to swap doors each time instead of just taking the top off (probably can even leave the upper piece attached to the top. I read on the ECR site that they did something to be able to remove the entire top in one piece - I assume some extra bracing.

But lots of other priorities first, middle doors being #1 in the body dept. I'll probably need to buy full middle doors to buy me time to find 2 piece ones though

charles
p.s The battery died on me the other day and since I was on my way to a happy hour I bought another. Both the battery and alternator test fine though, so I'm now looking into what's wrong with the charging circuit. Do you happen to know how the gauge fits in as compared to a charging light? She either doesn't have a charging light, or it's blown.
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Old October 30th, 2007, 11:36 AM
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Yeah, I know the alternator is good, I had it tested in San Jose.
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Old October 30th, 2007, 11:41 AM
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The problem is that the alternator is only about 35 amp.

Get a 80-100 amp 10si delco and convert it.

Ron

IIRC she has a charge light. It would glow dimmer and brighter as time went by.
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Old October 30th, 2007, 01:31 PM
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But riddle me this - how did it get by for the last 24 years with that 35 amp alternator? I didn't think to check if the parts store could tell me the amperage it was putting out, but it was >14V. So my thinking is the charge light is blown or something and it's not charging. Once it is charging I am hoping it will be adequate for the task.

I also don't know how hard it's going to be to get the mounting right if I change to another (assuming I went that path). Is this 10si delco a direct fit?
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Old October 30th, 2007, 01:52 PM
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The alternator shop I went to in SJ had a perfect replacement, I simply didnt buy it because the old one checked out.
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Replace the battery cables-25years later. Replace the cable between the alternator and the battery as well.

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Old October 30th, 2007, 04:34 PM
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ok, ok.
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Old October 30th, 2007, 09:49 PM
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whats wrong with the middle doors on it now? I understand wanting the 1/2 doors but why would you need to buy full doors for the time being?
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Old October 31st, 2007, 12:54 AM
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charles! save your money. There *should* be a charge light. There NEEDS to be a charge light. If the charge light is burnt out the alternator will not charge properly.



That said, the Delcos are great. Cheap and easy to find. But try the bulb first. Is it in the speedo like on the SIII?

rgrds
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But riddle me this - how did it get by for the last 24 years with that 35 amp alternator? I didn't think to check if the parts store could tell me the amperage it was putting out, but it was >14V. So my thinking is the charge light is blown or something and it's not charging. Once it is charging I am hoping it will be adequate for the task.

I also don't know how hard it's going to be to get the mounting right if I change to another (assuming I went that path). Is this 10si delco a direct fit?
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Old October 31st, 2007, 07:52 AM
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Dave, I'll definitely look for the bulb, just haven't had time to get out there (and won't today either). I don't think it's in the speedo, but need to use a flashlight on the warning panel to see if there is a place for it, and pull the console as well.

Andrew, the frames are completely rusted, a large portion almost all the way through. I don't have any pictures, but trust me they are bad. Mostly I'm worried about someone hurting themselves by getting a cut from some rusty metal

How well does aluminum handle heat, if I wanted to do some light welding in place to reinforce/patch without removing the skins? Otherwise I think full inner panels of aluminum or steel would cover the problem areas and give it strength, assuming I have enough good metal to attach to. I guess I'll have to get some pictures up.

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Dave, I'll definitely look for the bulb, just haven't had time to get out there (and won't today either).
No problem. Its your motor...

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I guess I'll have to get some pictures up.
Yes, you will.

I've used alum. panels to keep rusted out doors from falling apart. It works pretty good. Redsq's doors have almost no bottoms left. I think. Can't recall now. But they've been perfectly serviceable since 1960...
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John, I have both the items you are looking for. Contact me if you have an interest.
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