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Old August 14th, 2007, 04:05 PM
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Front recovery points (long)

I have a stock bumper and brush guard and am looking to add front recovery points. I really don't need an electric winch and would rather not upgrade to a heavy duty bumper. I also have a steering protector that appears to prevent the use of jate rings. My plan is to drill four holes on the left and right sides of the bumper and mount two shackle mounting brackets with 1/4 inch backing plates (see attached picture from the Expedition Exchange site.) Then during a recovery, I would use a bridle to disburse the load between these two brackets.

Everything I've read discourages the use of the stock bumper for recovery. Is this because the metal is not thick enough or is it not mounted adequately or both or something else? Would my approach work or do I have to upgrade the bumper.
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Old August 14th, 2007, 04:25 PM
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Not thick enough and not boxed. Get the bumper boxed and reinforced at the connection points. Not to be blunt, but taking the easy route on recovery points gets other people hurt.
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Old August 14th, 2007, 04:40 PM
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Yup, there is no way that what you want to do will work if you get stuck anywhere other than a parking lot while in Neutral. If you take off the front bumper, you will see how incredibly lightweight it is. It is easily bent and would probably just bend if you pulled on it. Just buy some Jate rings instead.
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Old August 14th, 2007, 05:07 PM
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I have a front skid plate and jate ring, you just have to remove a little from either side. I know there is a "wide" jate ring availible
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Ok, not to threadjack but it looks like we're already going in this direction:

What options do we have these days for front bumpers? I've seen too many bent and rusted ARBs and want something else.
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Old August 15th, 2007, 12:54 AM
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Ok, not to threadjack but it looks like we're already going in this direction:

What options do we have these days for front bumpers? I've seen too many bent and rusted ARBs and want something else.
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Draken Offroad (Equipe) sells these things that fit over the stock bumper. I've never used them but they look good and having used Equipe stuff before I would bet they are strong...

http://www.equipe4x4.com/inglese/ART...&COD=A&NFOTO=3
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Gary. the junkyard fix is running either a Series recovery "loop" or a hook style recovery point mounted throught the frame horn UNDER the bumper as you have the factory brush guard, not very "correct" .....but very functional and safe.
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Gary jate rings will work with the skid. you may have to spread them a quarter inch or less.
I had them on my last defender with the SD skid.
get 2 one for each side DAP has them for around $30 each. or EE may have them in stock as well.

I have seen some people drill a hole in their skid plate and put a D ring in but I wouldnt recommend it. RIP.................

If you want to keep it stock look for LR winch bumper they are more stout than the stock. bumper and you can beef them up.

or have one made..........
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Jate rings

My problem with jate rings is not their width but the fact that they have no way to "loop around" because of the way my protector attaches to the frame rails (see attached photo from Draken Off Road.) Once the plate is attached to those two bolt holes on the bracket, I don't think there's enough room for the jate ring between the plate and the bracket.
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ahhh ok, I have seen a recovery point that slides into the round hole at the end of the frame but cant rember where I saw it
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My problem with jate rings is not their width but the fact that they have no way to "loop around" because of the way my protector attaches to the frame rails (see attached photo from Draken Off Road.) Once the plate is attached to those two bolt holes on the bracket, I don't think there's enough room for the jate ring between the plate and the bracket.
You can ask Draken if their jate rings will work with it and the stock bumper, they can probable tell you if at least theirs will work or not...
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You can ask Draken if their jate rings will work with it and the stock bumper, they can probable tell you if at least theirs will work or not...
I did ask Draken and they recommended the swivel eye with the bracket. I think it only works on a stock bumper without the brush guard and I have the brush guard.

I've narrowed my choices down to getting a Shipman stock bumper look-alike with built-in recovery points or having Matt Browne rig up something directly onto the frame rails.
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Gary, what skid plate is that? I put a jate ring from DAP on the drivers side with a SD skid plate. It just took a little tweaking.
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Gary, what skid plate is that? I put a jate ring from DAP on the drivers side with a SD skid plate. It just took a little tweaking.
Hi Dennis,

It's an Equipe steering protector and is very similar to one that Scorpion Racing makes. Attached is a picture of the Scorpion version that shows the bracket problem. It's a nice protector but if I had to do it again I'd get one with integrated recovery points.
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take it back and get a southdown, your jate rings will work with it.
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I have been very satisfied with a unit I fabricated. Works with stock bumper, skid plate, and brush gaurd. Using the foot print of the brushgaurd mount for a pattern, I cut out a stainless 3/8 plate (because it looks great) and welded an attachment of stainless pipe. the pipe serves as a mounting point for a shackle. The plate is sandwiched between the top of the bumper and the brush gaurd using the frame and backing plate of the bumper. This requires longer bolts. This configuration has been tested numerous times with a Warn 9000 and mulitple snatch blocks. With a known overload (like recoverying Dodge Power Wagons) I use both mounts and a choker/bridel.
Pic posted here.

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Very strong and looks great.
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Jim that does look good. I wonder though if the stainless is strong enough to hold if you were to pull on it from the side. Have you used them yet to test them out?
You could sell those things.
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