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Old September 14th, 2005, 11:42 AM
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front end moves

when the truck is parked and i rock the steering wheel side to site (not enought to turn the wheels)the front end moves quite abit side to side.i know my shocks are shot and need replacing.could it be any thing else??
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Old September 14th, 2005, 11:44 AM
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Old September 14th, 2005, 12:40 PM
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If the pan bushes are ok make sure the bolt is not pitted. Have someone move the steering left and right while you look at the front end...
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Old September 14th, 2005, 06:44 PM
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I told you this last night!
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Old September 14th, 2005, 07:32 PM
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I told you this last night!
I had a feeling it was that before i asked you, thought i would ask others for their opinion in case i needed to look for anything else before i orded parts.As it turns out the bushings are fine,i need to check out the bolts JohnC mentioned but that won't be till the weekend
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Old September 14th, 2005, 07:57 PM
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Yes, Jimmy, the bolts will wear out from the constant pivoting on them. Get 2 new ones and new lock nuts. THey are only a few dollars each.
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Old September 14th, 2005, 09:51 PM
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My bolts on the 110 were threaded rods! And one of the nuts had come off!!!
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Old September 14th, 2005, 09:58 PM
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Jimmy, I have to head up to Manchester tomorrow (emergency). I'll bring some panhard rod bolts, bushings and a few other things for you. I'll call you tomorrow so that we can meet up somewhere. Later.
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Old September 14th, 2005, 11:02 PM
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My bolts on the 110 were threaded rods! And one of the nuts had come off!!!

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Old September 15th, 2005, 06:50 AM
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Jimmy, I have to head up to Manchester tomorrow (emergency). I'll bring some panhard rod bolts, bushings and a few other things for you. I'll call you tomorrow so that we can meet up somewhere. Later.
WOW thats some company ( 4 x 4 Adventure Gear ) you got there John,hand delivery from NY.
I tried calling you a few times last week on your cell kept getting wrong #,you still got mine??
See you later John.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 09:27 AM
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John C, I sent you an email..
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Anybody have any suggestions if the bolt hole on the panhard bracket (at the axle) is "elongated"?? The only thing I have thought of would be to find a thick washer that has a hole the same size as the panhard bolt and then weld that onto the panhard bracket (essentially re-making the hole so it fits the bolt again), does anybody else see a problem with this approach?


Jimmy, be sure to check this also. If the bolt has been moving a lot, it will basically ream the bolt hole and make it bigger so that it no longer fits tight, hence the front end play. Also, an adjustable panhard rod would help relieve any bind that is occurring from a lift and would be a good investment to help prevent similar problems in the future.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 10:25 AM
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I don't want to get the thread too much off topic, so I mainly just want to see if anyone else has seen this specific scenario:


I also experience this wobble (60-70MPH). Anything below that speed it is straight as an arrow. Has anyone seen this exact scenario?
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Actualy I brought an Adjustable Panhard Rod to show Jimmy.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 07:14 PM
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What's the advantage of an adjustable panhard rod?
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Old September 15th, 2005, 07:18 PM
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The adjustable one recenters your front axle after installing a moderate lift and also has less binding since it has a heim joint on the top end. I just installed one actually.


Bradee, I would probably weld up the hole a bit then redrill it or weld a new piece of steel in with the proper hole in it. Not a big deal.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 07:30 PM
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That is what I would do, too, Randy. Just weld/fill in the elongated part and redrill.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 08:05 PM
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The adjustable one recenters your front axle after installing a moderate lift and also has less binding since it has a heim joint on the top end. I just installed one actually.
Thanks Randy. When you say "moderate lift", what are we talking about? Is this advisable for a 2" lift, or is it more for bigger lifts?
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Old September 15th, 2005, 08:23 PM
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With a 2" lift i dont think you need one.
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Old September 15th, 2005, 08:53 PM
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Thanks for the suggestions on redrilling the panhard hole.

One can argue that with any lift at all a longer panhard rod is needed. Although with a 2" lift, the amount that you need to lengthen the panhard to relieve any binding and bring the body/frame back in line with the axle is very minimal. Just to figure it out really quick....

I don't know the exact numbers, but this will give a ballpark estimate

(see attachment)


Stock panhard length (This is not the real stock length, just a made up one that is close) = 31"
Stock Axle width = 30"
Stock height from axle housing to upper panhard mount (i.e. spring) = 8"

If you were to add 2" to the spring length (i.e. 2" of lift) you technically would need to lengthen the panhard rod to
sqrt((8+2)^2+30^2) = 31.6" from the stock 31"
31.6 - 31 = 0.6"


So, with a two inch lift, the panhard would need to be about 1/2" (.6")longer to get the geometry back to stock (at least as far as the panhard is concerned). This is not to mention the other geometry that needs to be corrected too, albeit they are small amounts with just a 2" lift.


Some people run into problems with this small difference, others do not. It really depends a lot on the truck and the clearances on each individual truck.
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