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Old February 5th, 2009, 06:21 PM
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Frame replacement

I received a phone call from a gentleman who was involved in an accident with his 95 D90. I haven't seen the damage yet, but he's been told that the frame is bent at the RF as well as wing, bumper, grille, etc.. His insurance is encouraging the repair as opposed to totalling the Rover.
My question: How long should it reasonably take to fit a frame under a NAS D90? I pointed out that I would be attending to anything that could enhance the longevitiy above what the insurance pays-rustproofing on the underside, etc. while the body is off, but what's a good number?
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Old February 5th, 2009, 06:51 PM
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Let me guess... its yellow.
I saw pictures of that and it looked pretty straight forward, but without seeing the car and going over what might be hidden we could not quote it, the bulkhead looked tweaked, but what can you really tell from 8 pictures. Costs/ time depend greatly if you are going to take it all apart or pick the body off the frame as a unit.
I think the frame could be easily fix on that one (assuming it is the same one).
Good luck.
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Old February 5th, 2009, 07:59 PM
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7 years if I was doing it.

There is a repair operation time for it in the land rover book. At one point I knew it, but I don't now.

As mike said, if it is just the frame and you can do it in one piece, it is not as long as you would think, but if you have to swap/fix the bulkhead it would take forever.

Way back when I was a LR employee, we did a disco II frame in IIRC two long days with one tech and another one helping.
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Old February 5th, 2009, 09:02 PM
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Haven't seen it yet, but he mentioned that he'd called you as well as Treasured Motorcars. Treasured put him in touch with me.
7 years. If it was for myself, I'd agree! That's why I put a rear 1/4 frame on the 109 instead of the whole frame. This is how I see it: I'd buy a frame, then fit the Salisbury spare axle, then the front axle with the free wheeling hubs, then the disc brake conversion I bought already but haven't gotten around too, then the 2.6 comes out and TDi goes in and then one kid graduates and the other starts- would never get done.
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Usually do them in a couple of weeks. Another week if you need a bulkhead. Often need longer as half the rest of the truck is rotten. We lift the body off in one peice but half the time end up pretty much dissasembling it anyhow. Sure looks cool when it comes off though.

Obviously crash damage is additional. . If you are working with "blue book" insurance be prepared to take a beating.....or give a beating....or for it to be an ridiculous game with a bunch of complete ass clowns.

Of course we spread those two weeks out over 6 months. After taking a year to get started.
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I dismantled my SW in about 2 days down to a rolling chassis and removed the engine and trans. I guess about a nnother 2 hrs to remove the rest of the axles and other stuff. You do need lots for room. Its amazing how much floor space it takes up.
Mike, I see why you need that GREAT new shop of yours. The more room the better.
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Old February 6th, 2009, 09:14 AM
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I would say at least 40 hours with 2 guys on a mission. also make sure you have the correct frame or you will be fabricating a gas tank cradle, more time....
There is a video out there on some guys that did a series truck in a weekend.
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This link shows our normal time-line for a typical non-bulkhead frame swap. Its actually quite a bit easier in a D90 than a SIII.
http://www.eastcoastrover.com/124.html
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So the answer is two solid days for a team of pros and 7 years for the average joe.

Speaking of which, anyone want to do a write up of the process!
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Speaking of which, anyone want to do a write up of the process!
1. With tools grasp between thumb and forefinger remove frame by turning fasteners anti clockwise.
2. Offer new frame to vehicle.
3. Add fluids
4. Head to the Motorway for a shakedown run



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So the answer is two solid days for a team of pros and 7 years for Ron

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Guess allot depends on what you want when your done. I have yet to just pull a drivetrain and hang it on a new frame. Axles get rebuilt and blasted, painted etc. All bracketry gets Galvanized etc....just can't see the point in it. Generally by the time you need a new frame the rest of it needs quite a bit.
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I know what you mean and that's my issue- I would want to renovate beyond what the insurance is going to pay, and this is one of those opportunities to do it well. But, it'll ultimately be up the customer to decide how to proceed, and to reign me in!
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Insurance jobs are such a pain in the ass. The last two I did which were both borderline totalled, the insurance estimate started out at about the cost of the parts. The insurance company will claim to be able to get parts that are NLA. They will only pay 42.00 / hr. In the end they pretty much pay but it is such a hassle it hardly seems worth it. In fact as a shop we are no longer doing insurance jobs unless the owner has the car insured at an "agreed value". Something most Defender owners should think about at this point.
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