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Old August 31st, 2015, 03:41 PM
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SO what about those FOX shocks rovers north has been pushing? They are direct fit, I dont have interest in changing out shock mounts etc.

Ive never heard anything bad about Koni shocks, maybe its because so few are using them. ive got some leaking OME shocks on both of my Rovers. The FOX get a lot of respect and the bolt in and go that Rovers North is selling are very appealing.

I ran them for a while on my diesel D1 before switching to my 11" 2.0 R/Rs. Loved the ride coupled with genuine springs.

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Are the RN shocks rebuildable 2.0's? Fox, like every manufacturer makes several lines of non rebuildable shocks that are essentially no different from a cheap Monroe or KYB. iMHO The bare minimum buy-in on Fox shocks are the rebuildable 2.0's. Anything less and you might as well buy a no name gas charged shock. Seriously. And we will all respect you no matter what decision you make. Unless you plan on running KOH with your truck...in which case we might make better suggestions on a shock,
No, they are not. While I believe they are a better design than those internally and externally, they are essentially the same idea.

The 2.0s are great, but do not offer the same appeal of plug & play. I fully understand why you prefer them, I do as well.
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Old August 31st, 2015, 03:42 PM
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I was wondering, I was waiting for someone else to determine what they were before I bought them. A quick look on the RN site suggests these are the 2.0's. I got no use for those heim joints on the upper end Bilsteins or Fox shocks. I had heim end links on my Honda sway bar, I threw those bastards off a bridge and went with OEM.
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Old August 31st, 2015, 03:49 PM
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Sorry, they are 2.0, just IFP design.
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Kindof regretting hopping back into this. I am thinking I might just replace my current OME shocks and be happy with it!! You guys know your crap.
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Old August 31st, 2015, 04:08 PM
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Eventually I plan on installing Koni Raids on my D-90 - I've run Konis on all of my Porsches and several other vehicles and I don't think there is a better off the shelf shock. I've broken a couple of Bilsteins too.
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Old August 31st, 2015, 04:49 PM
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Fox heims can be replaced with polyurethane bushings from OffRoad Warehouse.

Check out the Yellow body/blue boot Bilsteins. I have them on my 96 D1 with OME springs. I really like the ride. They've got to be 7+ years old and are still good, I just replaced the bushings.
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Old August 31st, 2015, 08:54 PM
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i blew those yellow bilsteins to bits in short time on my RRC, the OMEs on the rear are both leaking but appear to be doing thier job for the most part. the fox from RN are at the top of the list, not much info out there on the KONI stuff. id like a little longer shock for the little bitty tires i run on that truck, an extra 2" makes such a big difference ya know
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Old August 31st, 2015, 09:21 PM
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So here is another stupid question. I bought my truck with a 2" OME setup. I plan to replace the shocks. Anyone know the spec length that the 2" lift requires? I'm assuming it could really be the same length as stock, but figured it was with the ask.
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Any update on this?

I am buying full new suspension soon and the Fox are on my radar for $500 from RN. My other consideration is OEM which are considerably cheaper.

OEM springs. Are the bearmach any good? They are a couple hundred less then the OEM at around $200/set

Any opinions?

Also bushing recommendations? I would think OEM but I hear install is a real pain vs SuperPro? Thinking maybe new engine mounts too.

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Old Man Emu matched shocks and springs are a nice package.

OEM shocks are woodheads and tend to be lame
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Old Man Emu matched shocks and springs are a nice ackage
My uses will be street and beach mostly. Thinking about adding sway bars too.
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Just to add to this, I recently put a set of the Fox 2.0 IFP shocks on my 80 series cruiser. They are the same as what Rovers North is selling but for the Toyota application. So far I like them. They were cheap, are direct-fit, and have poly bushings instead of rod ends. My experience with rod ends is that they usually loosen up or corrode if you run your truck in the salt, so I prefer the regular OEM bushing connection. They work better on a lighter rig than the OMEs and they have an integrated bump stop that probably wouldn't take a hard hit, but works well enough for low speed articulation.

The difference in handling between these and the previous too-short and worn-out Bilsteins is night and day, but that's probably more because the last shocks were toast.

Only thing I don't like is they are intended to be mounted with the shaft pointing down and they don't have a covered shaft, it's out in the open. They sell a hokey looking plastic shock guard but it looks like it would last about 3 minutes before getting ripped off. I'm worried about the shafts getting sandblasted over time and leaking.

Oh yeah - The Fox are "factory rebuildable" - Which is pretty much a load of bull since a factory rebuild is half the cost of new shocks. Then again, I would probably not rebuild them myself, so paying extra for rebuildable shocks wasn't worth if for my beater 80 series.
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IFP describes all of Fox's monotubes.

Out of curiosity, which IFP did you buy? Fox makes a cheap "Adventure Series", a middle line "Factory Series" (slowly being replaced with the "Evolution"), and a higher line "Performance Series."

The "Adventure Series" is way overpriced, and performs about the same as a Monroe or KYB gas charged shock.

I guess it's hard to resist the credibility enhancing paint job and performance enhancing sticker on the Foxes.
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Old August 10th, 2016, 09:28 PM
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I had my FOX 2.0 emulsions rebuilt a couple years ago. They were so corroded that the guys at Downsouth Motorsports had to bring them over to a machine shop to cut out the end caps on a lathe. They sent me the cut out parts just for shits and giggles. Total cost to rebuild 4 including a new shaft for one shock was $275 plus my cost to ship them out there. I would do that again.



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Just to add to this, I recently put a set of the Fox 2.0 IFP shocks on my 80 series cruiser. They are the same as what Rovers North is selling but for the Toyota application. So far I like them. They were cheap, are direct-fit, and have poly bushings instead of rod ends. My experience with rod ends is that they usually loosen up or corrode if you run your truck in the salt, so I prefer the regular OEM bushing connection. They work better on a lighter rig than the OMEs and they have an integrated bump stop that probably wouldn't take a hard hit, but works well enough for low speed articulation.

The difference in handling between these and the previous too-short and worn-out Bilsteins is night and day, but that's probably more because the last shocks were toast.

Only thing I don't like is they are intended to be mounted with the shaft pointing down and they don't have a covered shaft, it's out in the open. They sell a hokey looking plastic shock guard but it looks like it would last about 3 minutes before getting ripped off. I'm worried about the shafts getting sandblasted over time and leaking.

Oh yeah - The Fox are "factory rebuildable" - Which is pretty much a load of bull since a factory rebuild is half the cost of new shocks. Then again, I would probably not rebuild them myself, so paying extra for rebuildable shocks wasn't worth if for my beater 80 series.
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Still love my Fox 2.0 remotes. They were pricey, but still perform excellent and the adjustability made the road manners much better after removing the sway bars


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Bilstein 7100s revalved for the defender with bushings instead of heims. Nuff said.
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Bilstein 7100s revalved for the defender with bushings instead of heims. Nuff said.

Care to share what valving you have found best? Also more info on the bushings?

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Old August 11th, 2016, 12:33 AM
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You can order the valving when you buy the shocks at no charge. The heims are held in with a clip and can be pressed out or you can order them without them.

The bushings just fit in (split bushing type) and can be ordered at same time. I found the valving values on an old thread on pirate from the SG era. 400/100 I believe and can double check that if you need me too. On a d90 wagon it is perfect for off-road and on imho.

By the way you can also put on foam cell type shock travel limiters which I highly recommend.
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I run 12" SB remote 7100's all round on my play D90.

I initially specced them with 360/80 valving but it was woefully under damped on the rear.

I revalved the rears to 400/100 and also bumped up the oil weight to 10w (I believe std is somewhere around 7.5)

They are so stiff now you basically cannot compress them at all by hand

After refitting them the car was 10x better. It is remarkably good now.

We made some custom pins for the bottom but made custom upper mounts, and also custom turrets for the front





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Forgot to mention that I am running 14" short bodies front and rear.
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