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Old August 16th, 2012, 08:25 AM
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I'm looking to swap out the bouncy and inaccurate stock speedo in my '95 and after reading this thread and STFA I think I have it sorted. I am sure it is much simpler than I am making it but I just want to order the correct parts before hand.

So it seems there are 2 methods to get this done:

Method 1:

Method 2:
  • Keep the stock cable but add a speed sensor at the end to work with the electronic speedo
  • Per Hans on one of the threads a cleaner way to do this is swap the stock Rover cable for a CJ7 speedo cable.
  • Travel Path: LT230 --> AMR3386 (vss) --> speedo cable (or CJ7 cable) --> speed sensor (VDO 430-011 for stock cable or VDO 430-012 for CJ7 cable) --> Electronic Speedo (VDO 437 155)

It seems like Method 1 is a little cleaner but I think I read that the VSS could cause the speedo needle to bounce. Is there a end clip that can attach to YBE 100540?

I apologize if this seems redundant or elementary to anyone. I swapped the other gauges for VDO's and they have been working fine but for some reason I was getting confused on this one until I realized there were 2 main methods of doing it.
I finally got my speedo installed and it seems to be working well (within 1mph of GPS after using the auto-program). What I did would technically be considered Method 3 I suppose. Please note that I am working on a 94 with the two piece cable assembly and transducer/VSS box so I cannot verify if this will work on other setups.

Method 3: Replace the stock (upper) cable with a cable that has 5/8" female nut and 7/8" male thread such as this one I found on fleabay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...1#ht_500wt_969
Purchase a standard GM hall effect sending unit with 7/8" female threads such as this one (also found on fleabay)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/170887245074...#ht_2152wt_952
Travel Path: LT230 --> AMR3386 (vss) --> speedo cable --> GM speed sensor --> Electronic Speedo (VDO 437 155)

The GM hall effect is A LOT cheaper than the VDO or Autometer units but is still of nice construction. The speedo cable I found is about 6" too short to get you into the back of binnacle but it does put the connections right around the MAF which I don't mind for ease of access if necessary. For those thinking of going the CJ7 cable route, please note that the VDO 430-012 seems to be getting harder to find and therefore pricey!

In the long term I still plan to play with the Disco YBE 100540 setup for a cleaner installation but in the short term, the ~$50 I have invested in the cable/sender is well worth it.

For those who have swapped to the VDO speedometer, what have you done about the mileage on the odometer? Just leave it alone? Put the end of the speedo in a drill for a few hours/days?
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Old August 30th, 2015, 12:16 AM
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So what was the best idea for the VDO speedometer cable issue?
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So what was the best idea for the VDO speedometer cable issue?
Specifically what issues are you having?
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Old August 30th, 2015, 12:22 AM
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Well I purchased the VDO speedometer 437 154 and sender 340 011. I should of done more research, but the issue is the same as the other posts here. The sender I purchased will not fit the VSS. Also my old speedometer cable snapped. So I am just trying to see what the best idea was, if there was an overall consensus on what the best method would be.
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Method one sounds like the best bet to me:
xMethod 1:
Replace the speedo cable with speed sensor with YBE 100540 ( http://bputah.com/Parts/Land_Range_R...ed_Sensor.html and htttp://www.roverparts.com/Parts/YBE100540G.cfm ) YBE 100530 (http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...5&d=1279552618 and http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...2&d=1087005142) was the early version
Run wires from back of YBE 100540 to the VDO (437 155) or other electronic speedo.
Travel path: LT230 --> Electronic VSS (YBE 100540) --> electric wires up to dash (clip part num?) --> Electronic Speedo (VDO 437 155)
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Are any of these options known to accommodate the possibility of adding cruise control any more than the others?
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Method one sounds like the best bet to me: xMethod 1: Replace the speedo cable with speed sensor with YBE 100540 ( http://bputah.com/Parts/Land_Range_R...ed_Sensor.html and htttp://www.roverparts.com/Parts/YBE100540G.cfm ) YBE 100530 (http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...5&d=1279552618 and http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...2&d=1087005142) was the early version Run wires from back of YBE 100540 to the VDO (437 155) or other electronic speedo. Travel path: LT230 --> Electronic VSS (YBE 100540) --> electric wires up to dash (clip part num?) --> Electronic Speedo (VDO 437 155)
Don't forget the resistor.
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Getting ready to hook up the vdo 437 155 with the YBE100530 (green) transducer.

However, the wire colors on the plug I have are not the same as in diagrams. The diagram showing wire #'s is not exact, but I think I can guess which pin is 1, 2, and 3.

My wires are: Black, Green w/Red, Red w/Black

But that doesn't really matter as much as the pins from the transducer. If I'm looking at the pins with the clip side up, which pin (left to right) is which? It looks like the middle (#2) is ground?
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See picture here, post 41: http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...tml#post353336
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Yes. But image is different from my plug, and wires are different colors, so just wanting confirmation from the transducer side.

Anything special about mounting it to the LT230?

EDIT: It seems to need a spacer under the transducer in order to sit flush. Correct?
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It is the same plug as the later style stop lights. All you are looking for is the center locating tab to determine which side is 1 and which is 3. The wire colours are different if you have the stop light pigtail instead of the speedo pigtail. The one I have here which is for a stop light.

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2 - Green
3 - Blue
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See in the middle of this page for a picture of the installed connector. On his picture red is power and green is signal. Center is always ground.

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My wires are:
Black
Green w/Red
Red w/Black

But anyway --
Yes, I'm turning it around in my head, but I've had so much bad luck with this lately I just wanted to confirm. I probably should have bought two VSS's so I could just fry the first one by hooking up the wrong wires, then flip the wires and use the second one.
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Yes, confirmed, 2 is power, 6/8 is signal. http://www.nsifleet.com/pdf/HallEffe...andTesting.pdf
I checked and have 12V coming out of pin2 and 8 on speedo which is canceling Halls Effect
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I checked and have 12V coming out of pin2 and 8 on speedo which is canceling Halls Effect
Is there a question in here? with a Hall Effect sender, the signal wire from the sender goes to pins 6 AND 8 with an open collector output and just 8 without.. 6 should be outputting 12 V. This is how they work.
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Is there a question in here? with a Hall Effect sender, the signal wire from the sender goes to pins 6 AND 8 with an open collector output and just 8 without.. 6 should be outputting 12 V. This is how they work.
Thanks John, I was going by the wrong diagram, so many different ideas on this thread. That would make sense as it was 6 not 8 I was reading voltage. Got it now
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