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Old June 13th, 2016, 11:15 AM
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Fiberglass Hardtop

Besides already having the correct tailgate and doors, is converting a fiberglass hardtop to a softtop the same as converting a metal hardtop to softop?
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Old June 13th, 2016, 11:56 AM
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Struggling to figure out the question... assuming you're talking NAS Defender 90s. The obvious answer to me is: no. A fiberglass-hardtop Defender 90 has the soft-top "safari cage" already in place - with or without the "rear safari cage extension" that supports a full softtop - so the conversion is as easy as removing the top. A metal-hardtop station wagon Defender 90 has an internal roll-bar that is not compatible with the standard NAS softtop, so it's way more complicated and necessitates replacement of almost the whole roll cage. The closest you can hope for port-of-entry Defender 90 , which has no internal rollbar. In that case, you can either collect the rest of the NAS safari cage parts - or go with a complete Safety Devices internal or full external cage.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 12:03 PM
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Struggling to figure out the question... assuming you're talking NAS Defender 90s. The obvious answer to me is: no. A fiberglass-hardtop Defender 90 has the soft-top "safari cage" already in place - with or without the "rear safari cage extension" that supports a full softtop - so the conversion is as easy as removing the top. A metal-hardtop station wagon Defender 90 has an internal roll-bar that is not compatible with the standard NAS softtop, so it's way more complicated and necessitates replacement of almost the whole roll cage. The closest you can hope for port-of-entry Defender 90 , which has no internal rollbar. In that case, you can either collect the rest of the NAS safari cage parts - or go with a complete Safety Devices internal or full external cage.
Sorry, yes, NAS. I found a NAS that is in my price range but it has the fiberglass HT. I was wondering if I would have to buy all of the hardware necessary to fit the ST.

I was looking at the Badger site and it seems that I would have to buy the additional hardware (about $5k)
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Old June 13th, 2016, 12:14 PM
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If it has a fiberglass top only at the moment, just make sure it has the C Pillar of the NAS cage installed (The rear section). You'll need that to fit a soft top to the truck. With the exception of the fastback top.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 12:27 PM
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If it has a fiberglass top only at the moment, just make sure it has the C Pillar of the NAS cage installed (The rear section). You'll need that to fit a soft top to the truck. With the exception of the fastback top.
Thank you - It does have the C pillar so I am all set there.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 01:09 PM
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You also need the header bar on the wind shield and the bar between the rear most roll cage and the diagonals
All those can be had reasonably, not sure what 5k worth of stuff is for a NAS soft top
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Old June 13th, 2016, 01:37 PM
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Just post a pic of your starting point please. These guys can easily write a thousand words of wisdom with just the one pic.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 02:11 PM
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You also need the header bar on the wind shield and the bar between the rear most roll cage and the diagonals
All those can be had reasonably, not sure what 5k worth of stuff is for a NAS soft top

I just went with what I found for all new stuff from Badger.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 02:22 PM
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Just post a pic of your starting point please. These guys can easily write a thousand words of wisdom with just the one pic.
Will do if I get it. I am not sure how much to budget though. I found a NAS for "cheap" but it does need to be converted to ST. I am guessing somewhere between 3-5K to get it done.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 02:31 PM
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I don't understand what you mean by converted. If it has a fiberglass hardtop it is a Soft top truck. You take the fiberglass top off and you have a soft top. An actual soft top, header bar, alpine bow can all be had for a grand tops unless you want brand new.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 02:37 PM
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I don't understand what you mean by converted. If it has a fiberglass hardtop it is a Soft top truck. You take the fiberglass top off and you have a soft top. An actual soft top, header bar, alpine bow can all be had for a grand tops unless you want brand new.
I see it this way - you take the fiberglass top off and you have no top. I am thinking that this might work for me since it is a 3rd car.

But your answer is what I was looking for. You still need the header bar, alpine bow, etc.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 02:42 PM
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Old June 13th, 2016, 02:45 PM
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I see it this way - you take the fiberglass top off and you have no top. I am thinking that this might work for me since it is a 3rd car.

But your answer is what I was looking for. You still need the header bar, alpine bow, etc.
Still only going to cost you a grand for those things unless you are going new
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Old June 13th, 2016, 02:49 PM
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Still only going to cost you a grand for those things unless you are going new
Cool - thanks.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 02:57 PM
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I see it this way - you take the fiberglass top off and you have no top. I am thinking that this might work for me since it is a 3rd car.

But your answer is what I was looking for. You still need the header bar, alpine bow, etc.
Depends on what you're trying to accomplish. You haven't really supplied any details on the truck so it's just speculation, but if your goal is to take off your hard top and then go driving in the rain then yes you'll need the actual soft top, header, etc. But if your goal is to just drive it when it's nice and occasionally park it outside when/if it might rain (AND IT'S A 1994) you could always just get a full tonneau cover that snaps into the dash.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 02:57 PM
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And all three of those bits can be had used (I have an extra alpine vow for example..
Probably a couple hundred for all the bits if that..
Taking off the fiberglass hard top, takes a few hours. Just did mine and am back running with a soft top
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Old June 13th, 2016, 02:59 PM
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The header bar is NLA but can be had. If the truck is a 94 and it doesn't have a belt rail you need to decide if you want up upgrade to a newer style top or find a tickford. If it was mine, I would only want a tickford for the truck.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 10:44 PM
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In the 5k I am assuming (now) that includes the top from badger... In so you are correct in the number.. Regardless the tops are not cheap but the cheapest is the OEM bestop.. And buy the header bar and other bits of 95-97 or add the rail for a 94 (or OEM bestop with snaps) Anyway the hard top is worth some $ depending on if someone is close and how good it is and how many are for sale for potential buyers of course.
Edit... Bestop might be nla now dunno
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Old June 13th, 2016, 10:54 PM
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In the 5k I am assuming (now) that includes the top from badger... In so you are correct in the number.. Regardless the tops are not cheap but the cheapest is the OEM bestop.. And buy the header bar and other bits of 95-97 or add the rail for a 94 (or OEM bestop with snaps) Anyway the hard top is worth some $ depending on if someone is close and how good it is and how many are for sale for potential buyers of course. Edit... Bestop might be nla now dunno
I would not add a belt rail if it doesn't already have it.
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