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Old November 28th, 2015, 05:58 PM
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Engine choice ? Defender 110

Hello Everyone!

Finally going to pull the trigger and get the Defender I have been wanting since the late 80's!

This is going to be a second vehicle for me. It will be used in the crappy Michigan winters, going to up North hunting and perhaps a run around town every week or two when the weather is nice.

I am set on a hard top, set on LHD, mostly set on a 110 (just more ideal for the suburban warrior I am after)

Engine...

There is the GREAT debate!

I guess I am mainly looking at the V8 and the 2.5 TD

There are two trucks from the mid 80's I am looking at which are both beautiful but I do not have any idea which engine is more suited for me.

As I said this will mainly be a suburban warrior not an off road monster. I do need to get on the freeway when I go up N and our speed limits are 70 mph. Which is going to cruise around 70 the easiest on the freeways here in Michigan? Which engine is easier to maintain? I am not a mechanic but there are some great shops here in Metro Detroit which deal with older English cars and MB diesels.

Id LOVE any thoughts, help and advice as I am REALLY lost here with this one.

I know LOTS of it comes down to personal opinions and preferences but your experience and opinions will really help me.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 06:16 PM
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Assuming both trucks are equal condition wise the V8 will be better on the Highway and I think the 2.5TD will leave you wanting for power especially if you are loaded down for a trip to the hunting camp.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 06:23 PM
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It's not just the engines, it's also the transmissions. My 110 has the 3.5L V8 with a KM/Hr speedo, but the day I bought it, the po kept up with me on the highway while I was going 70 in my RRC. Also, you buyers should know that the 4-speeds apparently don't have rebuild kits available & no, they're not bulletproof. Ask me how I know? Anyway, my hunch is that there will always be more options to get 300hp+ upgrades for the v8 scenario, but I certainly could be wrong.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 06:35 PM
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Get one of the Australian perentie's coming up for sale. ready to go with a strong diesel and a full galvanized frame for the Michigan roads. That's what I would do without thinking twice if I were you.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 06:36 PM
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It's not just the engines, it's also the transmissions. My 110 has the 3.5L V8 with a KM/Hr speedo, but the day I bought it, the po kept up with me on the highway while I was going 70 in my RRC. Also, you buyers should know that the 4-speeds apparently don't have rebuild kits available & no, they're not bulletproof. Ask me how I know? Anyway, my hunch is that there will always be more options to get 300hp+ upgrades for the v8 scenario, but I certainly could be wrong.
You can get parts to rebuild the LT95, they just aren't in a nice "kit" on anyone's website, the parts are expensive but they are the strongest box rover has used, most people choose the weaker R380 as a replacement as the motors they have don't require the strength the LT95 offers and they want 5 gears instead.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 06:41 PM
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Get one of the Australian perentie's coming up for sale. ready to go with a strong diesel and a full galvanized frame for the Michigan roads. That's what I would do without thinking twice if I were you.
I dunno, we had a post from a highly credible guru the other day that questioned the potential to ever convert one to LHD.

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You can get parts to rebuild the LT95, they just aren't in a nice "kit" on anyone's website, the parts are expensive but they are the strongest box rover has used, most people choose the weaker R380 as a replacement as the motors they have don't require the strength the LT95 offers and they want 5 gears instead.
Where can one acquire these parts, please? And are we talking ANY part, or just merely SOME of the parts?
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Old November 28th, 2015, 06:47 PM
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The Ausies will be RHD if I am not mistaken?

Also not looking for a project.

RHD is a no way for me...

The V8 I am looking at is a 5 speed.
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get the 2.5 TD then up grade to a tdi when you have the funds
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I dunno, we had a post from a highly credible guru the other day that questioned the potential to ever convert one to LHD.

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Where can one acquire these parts, please? And are we talking ANY part, or just merely SOME of the parts?
Look at a lt95 parts manual, which can be found on the Internet, Google the part numbers, a few places in the UK sell parts for them, and there is good information about them on the Oz forums.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 08:14 PM
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FWIW, RHD isn't as bad as you may think.

The engine options in the 80's were pretty weak. The 3.5 V8 sounds great but is weak, the 2.5 Td is noisy and weak. Both can be upgraded (v8 to 3.9 Efi, which is what I did, and diesel to 200 or 300 Tdi). If you plan to keep iy for the long haul, you'll probably want to upgrade the power unit.

Good luck!
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Old November 28th, 2015, 08:29 PM
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RHD vs LHD- the RHD has 15-20% more room for the driver.

Drivetrain? What is the budget to attain the parameters above?
If you want to stay Rover, the 3.5 with Edelbrock is stone simple and decent performance with good reliability. Can be mated to stronger R380 or you can go auto if desired. Very inexpensive- I have bought 3 in the past year for an average of $300/ea. Makes them near disposable.

Diesel- 200 is direct replacement. Be sure to get proper Defender unit if going LHD or budget for 300 manifolds.

Anything nonRover can work, but will take varying amounts of patience and dollars. Also, no 'manual' perse for any alterations, which can create issues if out of town away from 'your' shop, or if you are not mechanicly inclined...

Lots of options, but be sure to be realistic on budgets- both time and dollars. And when recreating the wheel, be sure it is worth all the effort.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 08:45 PM
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I am currently putting a 300Tdi in my 110. I've driven a 200, and I've driven the 2.8, which I understand is a bit more powerful than the 300Tdi. The truck had a good 3.5 V8 when I got it, even with an updated cam. It had enough power. But it certainly wasn't quick. It got slow on the hills pretty quickly as well. MPG was around 12.

When I drove the Tdi's I felt that the truck was just a tiny bit better on the performance, but mainly, that the engine just seemed to not have to work so hard to get up the hills. It wasn't really any faster, but it certainly wasn't screaming like I had to force the V8 to do to go 45 in a 45 zone.

You can always put a 4.6 or something in it fairly easily, but honestly, if you are going for it, you might as well skip the Rover V8's and get the 300Tdi or the Chevy LS conversion. So, you can have the normal Tdi Defender going at a normal Defender pace, with 20+ MPG; or you can go for the more complicated conversion and get pretty good MPG and have an engine that will really push you fast -- as long as your final gearing will hold up! (Gotta take it all into account from engine to tires.)

RHD is not hard to get used to, as far as the mechanics of driving are concerned. However, I think a lot of people end up getting tired of it because the roads, starbucks, etc... are all designed for LHD.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 08:58 PM
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I'd want an LS6 with 6 Speed Transaxle and a 100HP Electric motor mounted on the nose of the front axle. Something something batteries, something Arduino.
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we have LHD kits available with either 300tdi/td5 or tdci bulkheads. Our facility in NC does these conversions often.
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I have traded a few PM's with the OP and found that he will not be maintaining/doing the work the Rover requires himself.

I also inquired as to the elevation in MI and it is in the 500' above range, that is why I recommended he queried you bunch as to the engine. At almost 7200' where I live, they are all a bit, well, wanting. My 200TDi did admirably in CO and UT though and my 4.0 does fine, although it seems to work a bit more. So I could not adequately answer the question.

He has his eye on two original recent imports, hence the questions. With all that in mind, IMHO, find the best truck you can for the money, have $8k-$10k in reserve for the issues that may/will arise and enjoy the Rover. Keeping in mind having a shop do the work will add up the Benjamin's quickly. Frankly a couple friends have 300TDi's in their Disco's and I am suitably impressed.

I think sticking to the original Q is prudent. For his needs, will an original V8 or 2.5TD work best for his application? All the after purchase options can get very confusing. By keeping it simple the buyer can get what they want immediately within said parameters. Rather than talking conversions, well right off the bat anyway, unless you know of a good one for sale anyway.

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If the only options are 2.5 diesel or 3.5 gas, I would go with the V8.
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If the only options are 2.5 diesel or 3.5 gas, I would go with the V8.
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