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Old January 24th, 2011, 09:55 AM
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Early 94 NAS

What do they consider an early 94 NAS compared to a late one?
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Old January 24th, 2011, 12:49 PM
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My guess is, early one's don't have the rear C-hoop part of the safari cage and they have the interior rollcage running along the inside of the rear tub sides.

Not sure if the late ones had the LT77 replaced with the R380 or not.
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Old January 24th, 2011, 01:26 PM
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Not to make the waters any murkier, but so many '94 have had the c-hoop added that it may be hard to use that as an identifier. While I was looking for an ST last year, very few of the '94s I saw over that 12-16 months of searching still just had the fastback cage/b-pillar and diagonal without back cage section.

My '94 (#11, which I believe is the first AA yellow one for the US after LRNA1, according to http://www.lrfaq.org/Defender/D90ST.db.1.html) has the c-pillar setup installed, along with the inside rear tub horizontal cage bars and an LT77.

When I asked a similar question some time ago, I was led to believe that it had a lot to do with the LT77 being installed in the early ones. Just finding these links also backed up that impression:
http://www.roverparts.com/How_to_Identify_Rover.cfm

http://www.eastcoastrover.com/INFOD90.html

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Old January 24th, 2011, 01:35 PM
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The tranny is a tough one. Under warranty if there was any tranny issues most dealers just put in the r380. My 94 has a r380, and the cage pieces in the tub. Number 395.
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part of the safari cage and they have the interior rollcage running along the inside of the rear tub sides.

Not sure if the late ones had the LT77 replaced with the R380 or not.
Early 94s are (IMO) the ones with the early style cage in the tub (as described above). Most have been changed to R380 gearboxes now, so that isn't really a good way to tell.
There are also small differences in the lights and wiring. The early 94s had white backed front marker lights (like the NAS 110) and the front wiring harness just had Lucar connectors.
The later 94s had black backed marker lights and the wiring harness for the front had both Lucar and the Econoseal wiring in place (with the Econoseal plug un-used) (closer to the 95 style front wiring harness).
There are also small differences in the Power Steering lines and some other stuff, but by far the easiest way to spot an early 94 is the cage parts inside the rear tub.
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Old January 24th, 2011, 07:34 PM
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What mike said. I will also note that early 94s did not have the land rover logo on the steering wheel pad, I have seen at least one with the NAS 110/series wide clutch pedal shaft assembly so I think that is another difference, and I am sure there are some other small differences. These changes appear to have been put in at different times, but I am with mike that the true early ones are the ones with the cage bars in the tub along the side rail. LT77s ran quite far into 1994 production, like 3/4th or 2/3rd of 1994 shipped with LT77s.
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My '94 d90 was #416 and had the lt77 and the extra cage parts in the rear.

Another odd thing about my truck, the hood release was by the passenger side... on ini88's, which is #916, it is on the driver side I believe.
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Old January 24th, 2011, 11:36 PM
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I have #48, definitely early. According to the paperwork from the original owner, mine was delivered with the full cage in 1993. it was fitted with a tickford, and while I assume they were add-ons, came with a tonneau cover and bimini top from LR. Some other crap too. There are some papers that allude to items on order to be delivered in the future, including the fiberglass top. There's also a thank-you card from the dealer to the owner I found.

I have the extra cage running along the sides of the tub, I have an LT77, and according to Mike @ECR, I have some routing of lines, specifically power steering lines, that are not the same as later trucks. Also, like Ron says, I'm 99% sure my steering wheel does not have the LR logo.

Should be pretty easy to spot an early one, not that I think it really matters....
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Old January 24th, 2011, 11:53 PM
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My '94 d90 was #416 and had the lt77 and the extra cage parts in the rear.

Another odd thing about my truck, the hood release was by the passenger side... on ini88's, which is #916, it is on the driver side I believe.
I don't have the land rover logo on my wheel either. My hood pull is also on the passenger side. Do you have AC? Mine does not. I thought they moved it if you got AC.
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My '94 (#11- i.e. very early 94) has no Land Rover script on the steering wheel, has A/C kit installed, and has hood release on the driver's side, left of the fuse box.
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Old January 25th, 2011, 08:11 AM
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haha....last week I was looking at pictures of a d90 for sale and saw the cage pieces running along the tub sides. I instantly started pulling pictures from several sites because I thought I was missing cage pieces. Come to find out, it was an early NAS and that was one of the differences between the early/late ones.

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My guess is, early one's don't have the rear C-hoop part of the safari cage and they have the interior rollcage running along the inside of the rear tub sides.

Not sure if the late ones had the LT77 replaced with the R380 or not.
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I should add that when introduced as far as tops, if you did not order anything, you got a tonneau and just the B-pillar (no c-pillar, no door tops, no windscreen bar, no five snap door bars). Anything above and beyond that cost money and was optional.

In theory alloy wheels were optional too, but other than one picture in a brochure, I have seen/know of none that shipped with the steel wheels (which were Disco I spares).

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Old January 25th, 2011, 01:29 PM
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Yeah I remember seeing a red one in 94 at Prestige Land Rover in Paramus with steel wheels and no top or back cage. It was just sitting in the lot with the other new cars.

What are the five snap door bars?
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What are the five snap door bars?
These.

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...5&postcount=11

I have a set of them in my box of goodies.
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Old January 25th, 2011, 01:41 PM
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oh yeah I have them too laying around too.
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Mine doesn't have the logo on the steering wheel. They also came with BFG Mud Terrains, though I would imagine those tires would be changed out by now by previous owners. I have seen some early 94s with all 4 BFG All Terrains on and the spare with an original Mud Terrain on it. Mine was like this.
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Old January 25th, 2011, 01:56 PM
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I have seen some early 94s with all 4 BFG All Terrains on and the spare with an original Mud Terrain on it.
Who would do this...a Jeep owner?
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Old January 25th, 2011, 02:18 PM
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Uh - kind of guilty of a similar transgression here. I think I have a crusty A/T on my spare, and some Duelers (or something like that) on the others. In my defense, that's how the truck came, I'll eventually rectify this grave error of judgement.


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But I do have not just my 5-snap bars, but I have the strange s-shaped brackets that you're supposed to use to connect the windshield to the roll cage if you're driving topless, without the side rails for the soft top.

(And I have A/C)
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Old January 25th, 2011, 02:25 PM
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Brian was making a dig at me. When I bought my 90 it has a brand new km1 on the back and the original km1s on the truck that were dry rotted. I drove the truck over to a tire shop and they had 4 all terrains in stock. That was 4 years ago. Been too lazy to change my spare. I still dream that one day I will find four new Km1s to match to my spare.
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Who would do this...a Jeep owner?
Or they usually just leave the rim on there with no tire attached! Mine had the original spare Mud Terrain and man was it dry rotted. They are the same size technically as the AT so you do have a spare if you need one.
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