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Old September 10th, 2016, 09:06 AM
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That definitely seems abnormal. Maybe try a Genuine U-joint next time and see if it lasts longer.
I'll try anything.

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You should not use a DC in the rear with only one DC joint. It has parallel flanges and a single DC will cause vibration.
Red was that directed at my post or the OP?
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Old September 10th, 2016, 10:05 AM
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Red was that directed at my post or the OP?
You said you had a rear DC shaft. If it is DC at one end with a single UJ at the other, it is setup wrong and will vibrate constantly.`If you are going through u-joints with just road use, something is wrong. Without seal failure, u-joints should last forever.
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Old September 10th, 2016, 10:49 AM
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You said you had a rear DC shaft. If it is DC at one end with a single UJ at the other, it is setup wrong and will vibrate constantly.`If you are going through u-joints with just road use, something is wrong. Without seal failure, u-joints should last forever.
I've seen aftermarket drive shafts fail in stock Disco 2s in well under a year. I think quality comes in to play here too.
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I switched from a dc rear to a standard unit, far less vibes


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Old September 10th, 2016, 12:26 PM
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You said you had a rear DC shaft. If it is DC at one end with a single UJ at the other, it is setup wrong and will vibrate constantly.`If you are going through u-joints with just road use, something is wrong. Without seal failure, u-joints should last forever.
Sorry Red, my bad, I removed the DC and went back to a standard shaft. But with the standard shaft I do seem to go through UJ's too often.
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Sorry Red, my bad, I removed the DC and went back to a standard shaft. But with the standard shaft I do seem to go through UJ's too often.
clay, what angle is your driveshaft and what is your pinion angle relative to the output flange of your tcase?

I had to put a dc shaft on my truck because i was running a twenty degree driveshaft angle relative to the tcase output shaft and the resulting noise/vibration was deafening on my truck.
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Old September 10th, 2016, 03:43 PM
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clay, what angle is your driveshaft and what is your pinion angle relative to the output flange of your tcase? I had to put a dc shaft on my truck because i was running a twenty degree driveshaft angle relative to the tcase output shaft and the resulting noise/vibration was deafening on my truck.
Ed, it has been more years than I can remember and I don't recall what the angle the ds is. Maybe a good task to tackle between beers at kilroys one evening.
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Here's a good video that explains ujoint phasing.


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You'll hate me but if the clutch only engages/disengages at the end of the pedal arc it's close to toast.

Vote here is to replace slave, replace clutch and reuse box with fresh fluid. You'll know quickly if you have the same changing issue or not.


Thought I would update the thread...
changed the slave and bleed... short test drive

Seems to be less likely to grind, clutch still engages at floor basically, did and adjustment and pretty much no dice, moving it the middle of the range made it not engage all the way..

I'm thinking I may just change the clutch but that will have to wait till after URE13 right now.

I'm going to rebleed tomorrow and mess around some more but at 150k miles I'm wondering how good it can get, realistically.

So could be interesting
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Old September 16th, 2016, 07:59 PM
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How far can it Go? Dunno... been this way for a couple of years now (Engaging at the floor, i'm an old porsche 911/356 guy and thats what they do) so who knows..

ReBleed is tomorrow and we shall see.. I'm going to do a longish test ride before i do anything else though.
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Old November 28th, 2016, 09:04 PM
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Drive line stuff... I.e. I'm starting soon

Getting ready to make the order...
Ashcroft r380 (clutch kit here already)
4.12 R&P (Ashcroft)
F&R Lockers (Ashcroft)

Call it good for 2017


In case anyone was in suspense... 2 loong weekends more wheeling, on it, daily driving it currently while my wife drives the lr3
Back at it dec 9th for another weekend then I'll hopefully be able to get to it (oh and pulling the trailer to camp)
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Old November 28th, 2016, 10:24 PM
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Are you considering moving to the FTC5200HD throwout bearing? I'm kicking myself for not doing it on the 90, but admittedly I didn't realize they even existed until after I finished my clutch job a couple years ago....
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Old November 28th, 2016, 10:27 PM
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I have the FTC5200 one - didn't know there was a FTC5200HD at all

it does not come up on LRdirect either, humm
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Old November 28th, 2016, 10:36 PM
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I have the FTC5200 one - didn't know there was a FTC5200HD at all

it does not come up on LRdirect either, humm
It's a metal version of the throwout....I got mine from Lucky8. But google it and you'll see, I can also dig mine out (I now have one on the shelf for when mine inevitably fails again) and put it next to my toasted one for comparison pics. But even if you just grab your FTC5200 and *really* look at it you'll be amazed at how shitty it is.

I mean it's no secret how much I hate plastic, and this just furthers that abhorrence .

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That's a bingo...actually forgot I even posted this thread, but Google found it!
http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...uty-55380.html
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Old November 28th, 2016, 10:45 PM
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well why not....do it once Right...
got one from paddock spares
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still waiting on the the HD bearing to come in - i need to drop it off and at a minimum do the clutch. i have a normal throwout bearing in stock and the more i think about it the more it seems to be clutch engagement is my core issue (i.e. only OUT at the floor, which when normally driving happens but not enough if you know what i mean)
I'm going to try doing just the clutch - then do the transmission if needed after that - i might have to do it twice in other words.. ideally this will solve 90% of my grinding issues and 100% of my worry about the clutch.

I was off road this weekend and when you smell clutch while its engaged and your foot is no where near it - it's time has come (Plus 156k miles on it is pretty good all in all)

if that plays out then it just lockers and 4.12 gears coming from ashcroft
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It may be your flywheel is gummed up with hot spots. Once that's have a good turn things will be sweet again.
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Upon further review, looks like I am adding an LT230 to my list
And dropping lockers for the time being...(too much currently for me to do it all).
It's an evolution...
this will fix the drive line lash I have and upgrade me to the drilled input gear at the same time.



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