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Old January 24th, 2005, 10:16 PM
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Exclamation Do I need a new starter?

About half the times I turn the key, the starter doesn't turn. If I get under there with a screwdriver and short the solenoid (so slarks fly), it likely throws the solenoid - or something mysterious happens - and then it will start.

Happened for the third time today, and it was embrassing to have to get under it in front of starbucks with a wrench. But of course, people gawking were impressed that I could "fix it" and drive away in about 30 seconds.

Or is the starter and solenoid separate - maybe I just need a solenoid?
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Old January 24th, 2005, 11:20 PM
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Sounds like the solinoid is shot, I'm not sure if you can replace it by itself as it is kinda built onto the starter. You could pull the starter off and clean it out, it may just be full of dust and sand, and you can inspect the contacts to see how warn and dirty they are.
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Old January 24th, 2005, 11:26 PM
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Might also check the phone book and see if there is a local alternator/starter repair shop. Sounds like it might just be some binding in the solenoid or relay.

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Old January 25th, 2005, 10:57 AM
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Send you an e-mail with the picture of a separated solenoid/starter.

As far as I know I cannot do it here.
I had the same problem after a four wheel driving in salty water.
After a few days the solenoid was stuck, caused by a bad sealing between the housing solenoid/starter.
On the picture you see on the top of the solenoid a rubber cap. This causes the problem, and water, and as I found later, also dust came in, and causes a totall stuck of the solenoid.
It is possible to clean it, in my way it was fixed.
Hope this will help.

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Old January 25th, 2005, 01:23 PM
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Interesting - I did have a dip in the salt water about 6 months ago, and perhaps some nasties have been happening in there. I shall pull the thing and see what's up.

Do I have to drain the oil or anything nasty to pull that starter out and take a look?
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Old January 25th, 2005, 01:29 PM
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No draining at all, just the 2 annoying bolts that hold it on and disconnecting the wires, if you are not to sure on the wiring take a pic before disconnecting. You may also have to remove the heat shield to get at the bolts.
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Old January 25th, 2005, 01:37 PM
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have you tried just giving it a whack to determine if it is just a sticky solonoid ( it would save you burning out the remains of the terminals )
the solonoid can be disasembled and cleaned ( some are bolted and some are held with a pin )
i used to have a similar problem but i never bothered to go under it ( i used a pole to hit starter from above ).
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Old January 25th, 2005, 03:58 PM
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I shall modify a broomstick and try that as well loonatic. Will examine when i pull. The festidious side of me says just pop in one of the new bosch ones and keep life simple.
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The festidious side of me says just pop in one of the new bosch ones and keep life simple.
I just did this. Big difference! The new Bosch starter is geared much lower and has a very different sound and feel to it. One way to determine if it's the starter is to check the amperage draw. My old one was drawing a lot more amps than normal which my mechanic told me was an indicator it was on the way out.
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Old January 26th, 2005, 12:59 AM
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put in one of the more recent mean greens with the drain tube and you'll never look back.
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Old January 26th, 2005, 07:15 PM
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Mean Green's have a drain tube? I just sent one back that was horibbly corrodid in the solinoid after being on the truck for 2 months with quite a bit of time in the water.
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Old January 27th, 2005, 12:28 AM
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yep,
they've got a soft drain/valve on the bottom with a slit in the side.

seems to be much improved over the original design.
mines been dunked numerous times.
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Old January 27th, 2005, 07:03 PM
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Must have gotten a crap one then.
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Old January 28th, 2005, 04:29 PM
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What the #*&$@ is a "mean green with the drain tube"?
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Mean Green makes starters, and alts, they are great products but the customer service sucks. The sarters have drains on the bottom and mine also has vent tubes that I extended over the water line

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Help! I just popped in the new starter - but no change. Just clicks and all, no motion of the starter whatsoever. Checked all the fuses, resecured wires.

What switches are involved in the whole starting sequence?
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Old February 13th, 2005, 08:24 PM
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Hey wicks, 1 wire from the ignition to a relay, then from the relay to the solenoid. Check you battery sometimes when they get low they can't keep the relay or solenoid engaged while turning the started. Do you have a volt meter? Can you measure the voltage at the solenoid while trying to crank?
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Old February 13th, 2005, 09:00 PM
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If I run hot from the battery directly to the little wire on the solenoid, voila, starts fine. Something between the starter switch and that little hookup there...
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Yup, ceck the starter relay, at least that was the setup on thr 94s. May also be a bad/dirty connection.
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Old February 13th, 2005, 09:18 PM
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I have the workshop manual, but couldn't find anything on the relays in the whole book. Where is that starter relay?

Also any info regarding the starter switch itself and how to test it could be helpful...
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