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Old February 13th, 2005, 09:59 PM
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A bit off..but here's a shot

Hey Wicks,

so I know nothing of Defenders..but...
the starter relay will not be in the relay banks...usually.
At least, in Jeeps, there is a starter relay that's Giant, and sits in the hood somewhere.
Maybe its the same on D90s?

(I dont have my D90 with me, or I'd go outside and check...)

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Old February 14th, 2005, 01:41 PM
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Anyone? Info on starter switch/relay?
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Old February 14th, 2005, 01:44 PM
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Wicks, wiring diagram at the end of this doc.
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Old February 14th, 2005, 01:47 PM
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Hey wicks I'm going to send you an e-mail go to page 19, but it says that the relay is behind the front center console.
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Old February 14th, 2005, 07:56 PM
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Interesting. I spoke to British Pacific and they said the starter switch is likely burnt out. So they are sending me one, I'll pop that in tomorrow and if that doesn't fix it I'll just make my own curcuit with a toggle switch on it.
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Old February 14th, 2005, 10:07 PM
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The relay is furthest on the right in the center fuse box. It is $8 max at any auto store. This is way easier than everybody is making it.
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Old February 15th, 2005, 08:39 PM
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It turned out to be the starter switch itself (the replaceable part on the other end of where the key goes).

Thanks to BRITISH PACIFIC for knowing without a doubt what I needed to fix and shipping me the part pronto.

For all those who MAY need a new starter, check that thing out first.
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Old February 15th, 2005, 09:07 PM
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Ha! Could also be called the 'ignition switch?' Had that thing come apart on me at my first Truckhaven run. Worth keeping a spare.

Did you R&R it yourself? Messy job no?

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Old February 15th, 2005, 10:38 PM
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No, 20 minute job. Only slow up was the shop manual saying "remove the SINGLE screw", when actually there was another one behind. So I ended up ripping the old switch out in chunks to find a rogue screw left over. I did not reinstall the second screw.

Since the M3 is in the shop for a few days my fingers were seriously crossed.
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Old April 14th, 2005, 08:14 AM
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Fella's...

I'm having the same problem, now it won't start until the 6th or so try, and getting worse, I'm basically parking it so I can 'jump start' it...

Problem is, I'd like to check the solenoid but have no time until Saturday morning, so I think I'm just going to go ahead and order a starter.

I checked out Mean Green starters and should have ordered one a couple weeks ago when Mike Hippert told me about them.

So, my question is, where can I get a OEM starter or something similar at a good price, that would have it in stock and 'next day' it to me ?

THANKS!!

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Old April 14th, 2005, 08:19 AM
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Most Autoparts stores can get them in a day or so. I know Advanced Auto and Auto Zone by me can.
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Old April 14th, 2005, 08:22 AM
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Thanks again MIKE !

Here's a lazy question for you (only because I just got back from the gym, and I'm just about to jump in the shower to go to a crazy day at work) ...

You wouldn't happen to have a part number would you ?

About how much should I expect to pay ?


Mike... I owe you many beers...




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Old April 14th, 2005, 08:41 AM
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Just thinking about it, you need to know the overall length of the starter and if it is a bosch or a Lucas. I think they are around $150 to $200. I would pull the old starter and bring it in to see what you have.

Wait a second, I jus looked at autozones site and no matter what starter you have the have the same part number 17216, it's $189, with a 65 core. And you will also need an 8mm allen key to get it off, I it is much easier if you use a one that goes on a 3/8 ratchet with a 6 or 8" extension.
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Old April 14th, 2005, 08:58 AM
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Rolaro.... what do you know about the Bendix on these starters? Mine is dragging. It starts fine, but its slow and noisy. Any part numbers?

PT94D90... where did you get your Bosch?

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Old April 14th, 2005, 09:07 AM
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Bosch #s from their website

Part Number Description Where to Buy

SR0800X Reman Starter w/Standard Bosch Starter; 12V; Permanet Magnet Gear Reduction; 9 Tooth; 1.4 KW; Clock-Wise Rotation

SR0801X Reman Starter w/Optional Bosch Starter; 12V; Permanet Magnet Gear Reduction; 9 Tooth; 1.7 KW; Clock-Wise Rotation

SR0802X Reman Starter w/Standard; LUCAS; 12V; Permanet Magnet Gear Reduction; 9 Tooth; 1.4 KW; Clock-Wise Rotation



Also check out the retail locator

http://www.boschusa.com/AutoParts/Locator/
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Wicks have you pulleed the starter? If not, when you do, check the wire from the Sel to the starter this wire can be corroded & have a weak contact. If you replace the selinoid use a Bosch not crap brand.
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Old April 14th, 2005, 10:23 AM
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Hmm... I can't get to 'pulling' the starter during daylight hours (don't even really know where it is at the moment... ) until Saturday morning... So, I'd like to order one, they're really not that much, and have it BUT my question is...

Is there any way to 'tell what kind of starter' I have 'without' pulling it ?

Thanks,

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Old April 14th, 2005, 10:29 AM
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If I remember right mine was the longer Lucas one, I think. I can check it but not until I get home tonight.
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Old April 14th, 2005, 10:54 AM
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PT94D90... where did you get your Bosch?

Thansk,
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Here... http://www.roversnorth.com/ Make sure you ask for the, "Cold climate enhanced", which has the reduced gearing. You might be able to find it cheaper at http://www.dap-inc.com/homeframe.htm or http://www.northeastbritishparts.com/
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Old April 14th, 2005, 01:24 PM
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Well, apparently Land Rover has done away with the many different starters they put in D90's and even Disco's & RR's, of relevant years. After speaking with them over the phone, (actually Mohammed from RoverCity.com in Orlando did the talking) they cross referenced all of these part #'s that 'were' OEM for different models/years and came up with this part #:

NAD101490

That's the 'across the board' starter, which is a Bosch, which I also found a good pic of here:

http://www.roverconnection.com/Parts/starter.htm

They had it for $155, no core charge, but they're in Utah and I'm in Florida so that won't work... especially with an $80+ overnight shipping charge (I need it by Saturday... really tomorrow). So, I ordered it from Mohammed where it will get here UPS Ground tomorrow. As a further note, Mohammed is a great guy, he conferenced me in to Land Rover Parts, basically gave me all the part #'s, called another LR parts Dept., even called UPS for me with me on the phone... Try that with RoversNorth... They won't give you 'jack' for part #'s.
Mohammed rules.

So, no matter what starter I have... they tell me this one is fine. I'm paying $225 out the door to have it here by tomorrow.

Thanks Mike Hippert for all your replies to my many PM's... and I wish I would have ordered that 'Mean Green' one a couple weeks ago when the intermittent starting began.

Cheers,

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