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Old September 2nd, 2015, 05:10 AM
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 05:45 AM
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Quit messing with big chains, support your local independent
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I don't know about the brakes, only their unreliability.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 06:47 AM
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 07:33 AM
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It's getting harder and harder to find a decent independent tire shop. The one near me I really liked closed a couple years ago and someone opened one with substituting Z's for S's in the name. Doesn't fill me with confidence.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 08:44 AM
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Quit messing with big chains, support your local independent
it's shameful how the obsession with saving a buck has killed the independent shops. I honestly don't see how any of them survive.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 08:47 AM
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Show me a local tire shop in the ATL area that offers free lifetime rotate & balance on the tires and competitive pricing and I'll start going there.

I've got a crappy little crap tire shop near the house. Good for old crappy tires and you just want to get fixed. But I wouldn't get a new set through them. Heck I worry about getting a puncture just leaving their parking lot.

That said, $10 to get a patch and balance a tire that has obvious sidewall damage and unusual wear, sounds good to me.
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Show me a local tire shop in the ATL area that offers free lifetime rotate & balance on the tires and competitive pricing and I'll start going there. I've got a crappy little crap tire shop near the house. Good for old crappy tires and you just want to get fixed. But I wouldn't get a new set through them. Heck I worry about getting a puncture just leaving their parking lot. That said, $10 to get a patch and balance a tire that has obvious sidewall damage and unusual wear, sounds good to me.
you're not getting the point bro. If you want "free" rotations for a lifetime then a national chain is the way to go. But don't expect them to have your back. It doesn't work that way.
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Buying local or from the little guy is great and I do so when and where it makes sense however tires are one item where I typically look to larger nation wide chains for the following reasons.

1. Road hazard warranty. I travel with my car and chances are that if I get a flat or something happens there is likely a discount tire, Walmart, sams or insert name of evil corp where I purchased said tire in a reasonable distance.

2. Stocking levels. I have yet to find a local tire store that carries tires in the size I want they typically have to order them and they are a week or two out with extra cost attached. In the case of needing a replacement for damage waiting a week or two is not acceptable. Same reason I do not run the cooper tires I like.

3. Tires last years small local shops come and go all of the time or change hands constantly.
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I go both ways on this issue as well. It is hard to beat the price and convenience of purchasing tires at Costco with store coupon while shopping and eating there. The time and PITA factor are at play and Costco does a great job at mitigating both. That being said, I'm also a fan of TireRack and other online places drop shipping to my favorite local guy, Don's Automotive. They are also great for the quick patch or plug which occur too frequently driving around here. They also do our race car tires with stick-on weights. Their equipment limitations (18" rim max and won't touch 50 series and lower profile unless you acknowledge a scratched rim is a possibility) don't apply to me.
Last experience at Costco a few years ago was w/ my 4Runner (OEM 265/65R17). Michelin had a price break on the 265/70R17 size (happens to be OEM on the FJ). Wanting the taller profile tire and $150 savings even though Costco's computer said no, Costco had me sign their boilerplate disclaimer and installed the 70 series. I wonder if they still do this.
Jonesy (and others), throw Don's a bone. Good group of guys there.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 12:42 PM
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Very nice!!

What is even odder is they have no computer record of the install of my tires from 5 years ago, even though I have the receipt in the rover.

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When phrased like that it makes more sense.
The All-Terrain T/A KO2 in the OE size is 123R, so if they are only going by the load index/speed rating then the 15" don't cut it (from a store liability perspective) at 108R (according to BFG they have an R speed rating).
If they were going by the max load rating then they'd be ok by over 2000lbs. You could exceed your D90 GVWR by a ton and still not reach the tires' max load capacity.

Go to back and tell them they are for a D1. Same GVWR but the OE size in the KO are 104 load index.
It was the third store who said they wouldn't sell me the 108 tire. The first two said it was the GVWR.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 01:00 PM
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I just ordered new Michelins from Costco last night because they're on sale. I hope I don't run into the same issue and I hope they let me carry them in because I don't feel comfortable driving on the old tires since they're cracking pretty bad now.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 11:07 AM
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Old September 6th, 2015, 02:47 AM
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So far I haven't had problems with Costco besides that they're really busy. They let me just drop off my wheels to have them mounted and pick up tomorrow or Tuesday. I opted for the LTX M/S2. Even though it's more of a road tire I read on a Tacoma forum some people think they're actually better off-road than the A/T2, plus better in ice/snow and have better tread life. What's odd Costco doesn't list any tires they have as compatible with the D90, but Michelin on their website lists the exact tire I bought at Costco as their only recommended tire for the D90. So I'd just show them what the tire manufacturer lists for your vehicle if the installer had any problems installing a particular tire.
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Ltx MS2 is a great tire IMHO. My DD is now on its second set. On a Rover it's only weakness won't matter. On Damp or lightly wet roads they get a military tire style whine.
Long lasting. First set lasted 70k at which point tire noise was so bad they had to go.
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Old September 6th, 2015, 12:30 PM
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That's awesome. I just noticed there's a new version called the LTX Defender M/S. Michelin claims 10% better tread life over the M/S2. It would be cool to have tires that say Defender on them. But it looks like they won't be available in the D90 size until November.

Defender LTX M/S

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes
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Old September 6th, 2015, 01:40 PM
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Here's a review of the new Michelins: Michelin Defender LTX M/S Tire Review AutoGuide.com News

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I think Michelin is the third tire company to use the Defender name for a tire. Interesting that LR does not take issue with their use of the name.
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I think Michelin is the third tire company to use the Defender name for a tire. Interesting that LR does not take issue with their use of the name.
Maybe they're afraid they'll get sued in turn, if they do.

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Old September 6th, 2015, 03:36 PM
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I don't think LR could do anything about anyone using the Defender name unless it was a vehicle. There's lots of products that use the name and a lot I'm sure predate LR's use of the name.
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