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Old September 1st, 2015, 01:32 PM
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I guess I have to quit poking fun at the young engineers that can't design a thing without a computer... Can I plead typo? 1x1=1 1x2=2 1x3=....
Engineers make mistakes too.

I'll never forget on one of my flights from Houston to Tokyo, one of the pilots was stretching his legs around the first class cabin.

An engineer engaged him in conversation. The engineer could not quite grasp why it took 13 hours and 40 minutes to get to Tokyo and only 12 and half to go back if the distance and speed remained constant in both directions.
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Engineers make mistakes too.

I'll never forget on one of my flights from Houston to Tokyo, one of the pilots was stretching his legs around the first class cabin.

An engineer engaged him in conversation. The engineer could not quite grasp why it took 13 hours and 40 minutes to get to Tokyo and only 12 and half to go back if the distance and speed remained constant in both directions.
Well its obvious right, its the rotation of the earth making it go faster....
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Things like jet-stream and winds aloft come to mind.
I suspect he was relating aircraft speed to ground not air.
Ever watch a bird flap diligently into a strong headwind?
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Things like jet-stream and winds aloft come to mind.
I suspect he was relating aircraft speed to ground not air.
Ever watch a bird flap diligently into a strong headwind?
Indeed, my sarcasm font wasn't working. While not an aviator, I have spent plenty of time on fixed and rotary wing platforms of all kinds (not to mention watching UAVs really struggle with winds)-but the most acute illustration for me of the jet-stream and winds is the time difference between AUH-IAD, and IAD-AUH. After 12 hours on a plane, that delta really starts to make a difference!
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Sad thing is this a ply rating- not how many ply's there actually are.
Always wondered about that! My E-load Toyo's say 3-ply on the wall and yet they couldn't stop selling the tire as "10 ply."
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Old September 1st, 2015, 02:46 PM
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Always wondered about that! My E-load Toyo's say 3-ply on the wall and yet they couldn't stop selling the tire as "10 ply."
3 ply sidewalls. 10 ply treads.
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He was testing everyone to see how many were actually awake.
Yeah, in post #4 I was assuming the D90 would be using 4 tires, not just one or two, but I guess I should have been specific.
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Ummmm.

4 x 2200 = 8800 pounds. Well above GVW.

All-Terrain T/A KO2 | BFGoodrich Tires
So was the shop incorrect? That the tires should be ok up to 8,800#?
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So was the shop incorrect? That the tires should be ok up to 8,800#?
Yes, the shop was wrong assuming you have a NAS90.

This is from the NAS workshop manual.
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Gross vehicle weight .................................................. ...... 6001 lb
Front axle (GAWF) .................................................. ......... 2701 lb
Rear axle (GAWR) .................................................. ......... 3300 lb
The tires are 2205 pounds each load rating or 4410 pounds per axle.
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So, is that the same as OEW or MGTOW ?
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Carry-in. That is what I did with my 109. Obviously the 109 is not in their system so they just labeled it as that.

No issues.
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Yes, the shop was wrong assuming you have a NAS90.

This is from the NAS workshop manual.


The tires are 2205 pounds each load rating or 4410 pounds per axle.
I do have a NAS. But I think we are talking the same point. That the tire should be fine.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 04:39 PM
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I called two other Discount Shops just out of my own curiosity, they will not sell me a tire for a NAS 90 with a load rating of 108q.

So, anybody know any good indie tire shops in Denver?

Thank you!

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You are now blacklisted at Discount Tire.
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There is always Tirerack. Plus they have a list of qualified installers.
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Are you a Sam's Club member ? They put this tire, BFG ATKO's 235/85/16 on mine. Also show them the Discount tire price if it's lower & they'll match it if they're higher.

Went to Costco one time to put some new tires on a BMW 524 diesel and they wouldn't because of the speed rating, but they said I could carry them out & do it elsewhere .... you know what I told them to do !
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I am Costco member. Most likely will go the Tire Rack route.

Thank you all fort he help!
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I've had issues with Costco mounting as well. Every time I have brought the tires in they refused to mount them unless they were on a vehicle, they also asked what they were going on. I assme this was ensure the truck didn't exceed the load rating. I ended up going somewhere else.
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Wait, what does that mean?

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Sad thing is this a ply rating- not how many ply's there actually are.
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I called two other Discount Shops just out of my own curiosity, they will not sell me a tire for a NAS 90 with a load rating of 108q.
When phrased like that it makes more sense.
The All-Terrain T/A KO2 in the OE size is 123R, so if they are only going by the load index/speed rating then the 15" don't cut it (from a store liability perspective) at 108R (according to BFG they have an R speed rating).
If they were going by the max load rating then they'd be ok by over 2000lbs. You could exceed your D90 GVWR by a ton and still not reach the tires' max load capacity.

Go to back and tell them they are for a D1. Same GVWR but the OE size in the KO are 104 load index.
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