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Old June 3rd, 2009, 06:57 PM
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DII 300TDI Install...

I know this is a Defender site but I also know a few of you guys have experience w/ TDI swaps. I was thinking of doing one w/ my 2001 DII and basically want to know what a pain in the a** it is and if anyone has ever done it before.

I appreciate any ideas or help you can give...

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The DII never came with a 300 TDI so you will not be able to do a factory like install.

If I were looking to install a Land Rover Diesel into a DII I would look for a half cut from a TD5 DII
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I thought 99 and 2000 DII were 300Tdi.


There is a guy on DWEB who had a 300Tdi but not sure if it was DII or DI
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I think 300Tdi are up to 1998, after that it's Td5.
Never heard of 1999 or 2000 disco, unless it's a
special order i guess.
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I know this is a Defender site but I also know a few of you guys have experience w/ TDI swaps. I was thinking of doing one w/ my 2001 DII and basically want to know what a pain in the a** it is and if anyone has ever done it before.

I appreciate any ideas or help you can give...

Cheers, Anthony

I built a 300 tdi D1 with a 5 speed. that was fun.
I wouldn't personally do a D2 with a 300 and an auto. It would be far too sluggish for my tastes.
Think 0-60 in about 20-24 seconds (no really, I'm not making that up).
Put in a bigger diesel like the one that was on here a while back with the Cummins.
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 08:11 PM
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If you want to be different, drop a 572 in there instead. Having just driven a 90 with a 300 and an automatic, I couldn't begin to imagine what that set up would be like in a D2. I drive a D2 daily, and the 4.0 is way too slow....a 300 in there would be boring. Just my opinion however. Good luck with the build!
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I think Revor put a TD5 in a DII. I have not done anything like that so take this with a grain of salt, but it seems to me that a TD5 and an R380 (to avoid the electronically controlled ZF auto trans) from a similar year DII wreck in the UK would be the only really practical way of doing it.

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Keith put a TD5 in a D1 with a R380 and a 4.6 into a DII with an auto, if I remember correctly. Not that it matters as I think he can put just about any engine in a Rover. I drove the TD5 truck and it's might nice even in stock tune. I agree with Dave, go get a front half of a DII TD5 if you want a diesel.
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What are the D.C. rules on emissions tests and engine swaps? Each state is different. Likewise, you would be disabling the OBD II system. Do some research on these items if you haven't already.

Save yourself the inevitable hassle and buy an AZ '95 disco and convert it if that is what you want.
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Thanks for all the input!!!! I dont know if I am going to roll that way but if I do I will be sure to keep everyone informed of the build!!!
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anthony I would just call DMV and see what they say. Generally speaking though i think if it is OBDII you can't mess with it. OTOH they told me if I put a diesel in my '84 then it will be exempt...

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Just for the record:
300 tdis have been stuffed in a few deefers and D1's in my shop along with a 200 TDi in an 88. and a few other "improvment engines" over the years.
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TD5 in a D1
300 in my 110
5.0 l in my other D1 (the only one with an Auto)
5.0 Ford in the 109
A 110 with a 300 is "tolerably slow" but on my trip last week through Southern Colorado and Northern NM I can count a coulpe time when I wished I had a 6BT Cummins in the truck.
A D2 and a 300 would be outragously slow and Mike is being mighty generous on the 0-60 times.

Do a TD5 if you can, it's just hoot to drive!
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5.0 Ford in the 109

We did a Ford 5.0 with a NV4500 and a Dana 300 into an 88 once.
What a fun and scary ride that thing was!

Keith,
I've been tossing around the Dodge/MB sprinter van V6 diesel idea into a Defender.
Any thoughts??
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I built a 300 tdi D1 with a 5 speed. that was fun.
I wouldn't personally do a D2 with a 300 and an auto. It would be far too sluggish for my tastes.
Think 0-60 in about 20-24 seconds (no really, I'm not making that up).
Put in a bigger diesel like the one that was on here a while back with the Cummins.
Not to hi-jack this thread but...
Have any of you considered using a variable vain turbo?
The main problem (besides displacement) with the 300Tdi is the turbo. IMO if you use a variable vain turbo there will be little to no lag before 30 mph that is felt with the 300. My Granddad owns a turbo company that my uncle and cousins now run. Their turbo has used variable vain technology since the '70s. I considered doing the 300 Tdi swap with my D110, but my 3.9 runs all too well to consider the expense.

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Have a DII going together at the shop right now with TD5 and Auto. The stock auto in those diesel trucks was an electronic shift which can stir the power out of the engine in a more similar manner to the manual transmission 300tdi.

There are many different ways to stir power out of the different 4 cyl diesel engines for Land Rover. But it is not always everyone's 'cup o' tea'

And there is something to be said of the raw power of a 6bt. When there is work to be done.

Regardless it is the details to any project that make the difference in its viability when completed. And perception of the intended operator is always important to deal with up front as well. You can cut paper with a swiss army knife. But a pair of siscors might be a better choice.
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Right Jim. That 110 we did with the 2.8 and the auto was one of the nicest driving rover diesels we have had yet (thanks for the help). The owner loved it which was the point. He wasn't in a hurry and he always got where he wanted to go. He didn't care much for the 300 but that install was doomed from the start.

Most of the other auto conversions we have done are all 2.8's and very sucessfull. so maybe a little extra displacement and the variable vane (and a bucket full o'$$) are the key.

We have a LWB range rover with an auto, and it is really nice to drive, not terribly quick but gets along fine on the hwy once it is up to speed. My ishatbox is definately a little better with the 5spd. Not quite as heavy as a disco or LWB, and it has had a little(?) tweakage done.

As for the DII. I'd leave that alone. Messing with OBDII will come back to haunt you sooner or later.

We have a sprinter in the junkyard (looks a little out of place with all the series rigs). Was going to stuf the motor in a 110 and make the box into a trailer for the bikes.
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You can do an electric shift Hp 22 in the RRC LWB auto to stir the power up more better. I've done a couple now after M&D paved the way for me. Jackson pioneered it, I followed. It makes a big difference. Pretty easy really. Costs a bit $ though. Still waiting for someone to put the money up for me to convert a P38 RR with 2.8 pwrstrk and electric shift. Them bells and whistles just don't scare me I guess.
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I'd love to mess with a P38, but unless It's someone from a state that has not yet complied with the clean air act shite it's kind of pointless (not being able to pass OBDII emmisions). Not sure where that's all going to go and how long the states that ignore it are going to be able to continue to do so.

As for the LWB. It goes just fine. I was driving it yesterday after this conversation and decided that it really is quite nice. It's no rocket, but it's not meant to be. People who jump in a 2.5 liter diesel and expect it to rip are not really appreciating the thing for what it is. It can be made to rip for sure but then you get a short lived, uneconomical, fussy ride. Might as well have left the V8 in it.

The electronic shift sure is nice though. Will look forward to playing with that.
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I liek the idea of the OM 612 I5 diesel in a defender.. Pretty snazzy, but I think they are all electronic.
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