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Old June 9th, 2016, 07:38 PM
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We just imported 2 defenders last month that are 89 and 91. If you have any questions please send me a message and I would be happy to help you.
Importing is a Federal set of hurdles, properly titled and registered in CA is the state set of hurdles. Do not confuse the two, and if you have successful California registration suggestions for Diesel trucks please share your best practices.
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The only motor swap I know of that is anywhere close to CARB approval is Nick's LS motor conversion. There is the possibility of dropping in a Puma motor from a transit van, but remember *every* component that was on the old motor needs to be installed, and any aftermarket replacements MUST be CARB approved with an Executive Order (EO) number

Neil: Can you elaborate on this a little bit? How's Nick's LS swap CARB approved, and not a 50-state Rover engine? What's so different (from CARB's point of view) about the two?

And are you saying that there is someone who has actually successfully done this here in CA?
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Old June 11th, 2016, 06:33 PM
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I am confused as Samer is above ^^^^^ Why wouldn't a repower with ANY certified engine of the same model year or newer be legit?

This eBay Auction sheds some light on the Certified Lab process. Clearly they are requiring the addition of a Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR)* system to any diesels in CA. I didn't think that could be achieved for even $8000, but someone has put together a "kit" or reasonable system.

* would subsequently require DEF (Diesel Emission Fluid, aka Urea)
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Neil: Can you elaborate on this a little bit? How's Nick's LS swap CARB approved, and not a 50-state Rover engine? What's so different (from CARB's point of view) about the two?

And are you saying that there is someone who has actually successfully done this here in CA?
What Nick is doing is essentially obtaining a donor drivetrain from a GM vehicle of the same weight class (light vs. medium duty) that was already a California approved engine, transplanting it into a Defender with his custom adapters and wiring harnesses, and using either the stock GM emissions components or CARB approved third party products (K&N intake, for example) that apply for that engine and have an EO number.

I can tell you he has had many, many, many, many calls and visits to the CARB Smog Referees during this process. So many things have to be done just right before the Referee is going to smile upon you and put the shiny holographic sticker in the door.

I would suggest you go check out his LS Conversion thread.

As far as why no one has bothered with a 3.9 or 4.0 Rover V-8 transplant... if you are going to go through the pain and suffering, why would you put an ancient, poor performing, low MPH lump like that in, when for not much more work you can have a modern V8 with wide parts support and vastly better power and MPH.
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Old June 12th, 2016, 03:21 AM
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Agree, no one is arguing the superiority of the LS conversion over theRover one. Rather the question is: Does the GM conversion not require a "Lab Visit" and the associated expense, and if so why not?

I'm not expecting a one-time visit to the CARB Smog Referee, but at the station I went to (Orange Coast College), the referee at the station refused to inspect the truck as soon as he found out it was a grey market vehicle. It didn't matter what engine was under the hood (3.9L NAS), or that I had every CARB required device installed, the definitive and final answer was that I needed to take the truck to a lab and have the engine "converted" and certified.


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LLC out of state?

I have a friend that has used an out of state LLC to register his vehicle in Montana. One time registration there. He drives it here, and just claims that it is for his LLC, with his Cali license. Thoughts on this?

The other "cheaters" is to get a driver license in NV or AZ. NV requires a swap, but you can just just get a copy from the CA DMV of you DL. It's hard to prove how long the vehicle has been in the states. Just don't leave it on the streets....overzealous cops will take note.

Still not CA registered though.
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I have friend that does the Montana LLc deal to register all of his stuff. He lives somewhat off the grid, but it has worked for years.
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Old June 14th, 2016, 06:22 PM
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I have a friend that has used an out of state LLC to register his vehicle in Montana. One time registration there. He drives it here, and just claims that it is for his LLC, with his Cali license. Thoughts on this?

The other "cheaters" is to get a driver license in NV or AZ. NV requires a swap, but you can just just get a copy from the CA DMV of you DL. It's hard to prove how long the vehicle has been in the states. Just don't leave it on the streets....overzealous cops will take note.

Still not CA registered though.
Like you said, it's still not CA registered which means if you are a permanent resident of California and your truck lives there then it is not legal. It wouldn't take an "overzealous" cop to figure out that you're using foreign registration to avoid registering it in California for some reason or another- it would just take a cop that is simply being observant and doing his/her job. It's my opinion that it's more likely that you could get yourself in trouble by registering it out of state because most cops don't know much if anything about defenders, but they do know how common it is for people to avoid paying CA registration. Chances are you won't ever have any issues, but it's not a logical solution in my opinion. All it would take is a jealous neighbor to tip off CHP and now all the sudden you have to provide documentation to the dmv and the fees start racking up.
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Agree, no one is arguing the superiority of the LS conversion over theRover one. Rather the question is: Does the GM conversion not require a "Lab Visit" and the associated expense, and if so why not?

I'm not expecting a one-time visit to the CARB Smog Referee, but at the station I went to (Orange Coast College), the referee at the station refused to inspect the truck as soon as he found out it was a grey market vehicle. It didn't matter what engine was under the hood (3.9L NAS), or that I had every CARB required device installed, the definitive and final answer was that I needed to take the truck to a lab and have the engine "converted" and certified.
You dealt with a shitty referee. If you have all of the documentation of the donor engine (remember the donor engine MUST be California compliant, not a "49 state" engine), to include the VIN of the vehicle it came out of, then they can sign off on it. You don't need to go to the lab.
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Thank you. That kind of restores my faith a bit.


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How much are headaches worth for a California license plate? That's the question you have to ask yourself. Personally my time is more valuable than having a CA plate on a car requires. Registration in any number of other states can be done by mail and you get plates within a couple days. Find me more than 3 people who have been issued tickets for having out of state plates with California drivers licenses, anyone?
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My 1989 Defender is going to be up on Ebay in 1/2 hour. The $8,000.00 required conversion for the DEF converter was nixed by the wife....going to miss the Defender.
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How much are headaches worth for a California license plate? That's the question you have to ask yourself. Personally my time is more valuable than having a CA plate on a car requires. Registration in any number of other states can be done by mail and you get plates within a couple days. Find me more than 3 people who have been issued tickets for having out of state plates with California drivers licenses, anyone?
I'll play…

I know of 3 cases where not having CA plates have bit people in the ASS…

To much to post but all involved vehicles tagged out of state and they got caught on various traffic violations and a traffic accident. Each time, they were asked why if your legal address is in CA, have a CA drivers license do you not have CA plates. Each time the judge didn't care, made them pay fines based on how many day's the car was in CA without tag's (3 years in one case). One involved a accident, not only did CA fuck him by making him pay fines, but his insurance dropped him for lying about where the vehicle was being housed and driven.


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Well, It did not make the reserve....I don't gamble, or do anything illegal. Maybe I will put a cover on it in the garage, and wait until I move out of state! I did check into an outa state registration, and a vehicle inspection is required for VIN verification, so you have to ship it somewhere anyway. They should tell you this stuff before they sell you the truck.
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"they" is a movie vehicle leasing company in Los Angeles that sold it to me.

------ Follow up post added June 25th, 2016 04:12 PM ------

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The nanny State. People are no longer responsible for their own actions.
Neither is the Nanny state.
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Ha! So true.

Mark, I bet the studio had no idea either. Bottom line is CA and non NAS Defenders don't play very well together.
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Well, It did not make the reserve....I don't gamble, or do anything illegal. Maybe I will put a cover on it in the garage, and wait until I move out of state! I did check into an outa state registration, and a vehicle inspection is required for VIN verification, so you have to ship it somewhere anyway. They should tell you this stuff before they sell you the truck.
Caveat emptor.

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Well, It did not make the reserve....I don't gamble, or do anything illegal. Maybe I will put a cover on it in the garage, and wait until I move out of state! I did check into an outa state registration, and a vehicle inspection is required for VIN verification, so you have to ship it somewhere anyway. They should tell you this stuff before they sell you the truck.
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