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I have been searching for months on how to legally and successfully import a D110 into CA even if it is currently registered in another State. I have read the entire thread here and many others.

Would someone confirm if a 25+ year old licensed D110 can be imported into CA. If so, what conversion is needed for the engine?
You need to go read the very first post of this thread. You will not be legal unless you perform one of the things there.

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I have been dealing with Heritage out of IL and they think they can add a cat converter and fuel injector which will allow me to pass CA emissions and importing laws.
If you go down this road you are asking for woe and misery. EVERY item in the intake, combustion, and exhaust chain as well as the fuel system must be CARB certified. Hoses, intakes, filters, injectors, injector pumps, cats, y-pipes, EVERYTHING. Having a shop that's not even in California is a very, very, very poor choice. You will need multiple trips to the Smog Referee, with work in between.

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Does anyone have the magic answer on what engines will pass smog? Diesel or Gas? Sounds like a mobile VIN verify helps the process.
"Passing Smog" is not the problem. It's CARB certification.

NO Land Rover motor placed in the Defender stock is legal in California, minus the 3.9 and 4.0 from the 1993/1994/1995/1997 models.

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What about dropping a new diesel engine in one? I know it would be correct but it would make it a good driver.
The only motor swap I know of that is anywhere close to CARB approval is Nick's LS motor conversion. There is the possibility of dropping in a Puma motor from a transit van, but remember *every* component that was on the old motor needs to be installed, and any aftermarket replacements MUST be CARB approved with an Executive Order (EO) number.

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Any advice would be appreciated as I know this is a long thread but from the summary, it sounds impossible or illegal. Maybe West Coast Defenders can modify?
It is pretty much illegal unless you follow one of the very few options in the first post.
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I am definitely a Defender newbie, both here and in reality. However, I have been researching heavily over the last few weeks which lead me here. Yesterday I checked on this eBay auction: Land Rover Defender Ninety | eBay and I PM'd the guy who listed it re: CA Registration. I am very knowledgeable about CARB, but all of my experience is heavy-duty (30+ years). I immediately assumed the guy was full of carp when he told me he could get the diesel (19j) CARB Certified for $7500. I have literally been directly involved with CARB and new heavy duty diesel certs, and that is a $500k proposition each. Anyway... he sent me a written quote from these guys in Santa Ana: G & K Automotive Services | Foreign Automobile Conversion After reviewing their site, I think they may be legit. Someone else, with some skin in the game, may want to check them out. If they can get a diesel done, then any gas engine would seem to be cake, and it does look like they have done many of those in other cars.

I hope I haven't broken any rules with the links posted, don't think so, and I am absolutely unaffiliated with either. They're intended as info only.

Oh, and from what I can tell, West Coast Defenders is kaput. Link takes you to a Porn site. Beware!
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Thank's for the info. How about Florida?
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I am definitely a Defender newbie, both here and in reality. However, I have been researching heavily over the last few weeks which lead me here. Yesterday I checked on this eBay auction: Land Rover Defender Ninety | eBay and I PM'd the guy who listed it re: CA Registration. I am very knowledgeable about CARB, but all of my experience is heavy-duty (30+ years). I immediately assumed the guy was full of carp when he told me he could get the diesel (19j) CARB Certified for $7500. I have literally been directly involved with CARB and new heavy duty diesel certs, and that is a $500k proposition each. Anyway... he sent me a written quote from these guys in Santa Ana: G & K Automotive Services | Foreign Automobile Conversion After reviewing their site, I think they may be legit. Someone else, with some skin in the game, may want to check them out. If they can get a diesel done, then any gas engine would seem to be cake, and it does look like they have done many of those in other cars.

I hope I haven't broken any rules with the links posted, don't think so, and I am absolutely unaffiliated with either. They're intended as info only.

Oh, and from what I can tell, West Coast Defenders is kaput. Link takes you to a Porn site. Beware!
If you do a search some other newbie mentioned G&K within the last 2 weeks. Perhaps let him roll the dice before you dump $7500 on something that may or may not happen.

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Thank's for the info. How about Florida?
Pretty sure Florida isn't trying to save the world and you can register anything there without any drama.
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Old June 8th, 2016, 07:39 PM
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If you do a search some other newbie mentioned G&K within the last 2 weeks. Perhaps let him roll the dice before you dump $7500 on something that may or may not happen.
No plans to do anything with that particular truck. Hopefully somebody else can benefit from this. I may go over there just for curiosity's sake though. Website certainly lends credibility. Dunno.

Edit: Oh, and I did search, but not with G&K together, left spaces. I'll look and see if that makes a diff.
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Been toying with the idea of taking my 1995 RRC soft dash (CA titled and has lived all its life in CA) and having it pass smog get my plates and insurance and then re-body the truck into a Defender "100". Keeping all the emission components and keeping the odometer with correct milage and obviously keeping the original vin number. This would be a personal truck and with no plans to sell it. Has anyone done this? Would any issues arise other than a Smog check shop flagging it if they see it. My Title States its a "Land Rover" and no where does it say it's a Range Rover.
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How long is the smog good for these days and would you ever have to do it again?
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Old June 8th, 2016, 08:25 PM
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If you go down this road you are asking for woe and misery. EVERY item in the intake, combustion, and exhaust chain as well as the fuel system must be CARB certified. Hoses, intakes, filters, injectors, injector pumps, cats, y-pipes, EVERYTHING. Having a shop that's not even in California is a very, very, very poor choice. You will need multiple trips to the Smog Referee, with work in between.

"Passing Smog" is not the problem. It's CARB certification.

NO Land Rover motor placed in the Defender stock is legal in California, minus the 3.9 and 4.0 from the 1993/1994/1995/1997 models.
I took my 1986 ROW D110 with a complete conversion to a 3.9L V8 out of a NAS D90 to the referee station for inspection, and the referee wouldn't even look at it. He told me that I need to "take it to a lab and have it converted and tested", then bring it back to him for inspection because it's a gray market vehicle.

I explained, to no avail, that there was nothing to "convert" because the engine is a 50-state engine, and he wouldn't hear of it. He even called his supervisor when I was there and got the same answer from him. BTW, the engine was complete as you mention above, including cats, O2 sensors, evap canister, etc., EVERYTHING.

He gave me a list of 4 labs in California (one of which is G & K) and said it would take 3 months!

What gives?

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I am definitely a Defender newbie, both here and in reality. However, I have been researching heavily over the last few weeks which lead me here. Yesterday I checked on this eBay auction: Land Rover Defender Ninety | eBay and I PM'd the guy who listed it re: CA Registration. I am very knowledgeable about CARB, but all of my experience is heavy-duty (30+ years). I immediately assumed the guy was full of carp when he told me he could get the diesel (19j) CARB Certified for $7500. I have literally been directly involved with CARB and new heavy duty diesel certs, and that is a $500k proposition each. Anyway... he sent me a written quote from these guys in Santa Ana: G & K Automotive Services | Foreign Automobile Conversion After reviewing their site, I think they may be legit. Someone else, with some skin in the game, may want to check them out. If they can get a diesel done, then any gas engine would seem to be cake, and it does look like they have done many of those in other cars.

I hope I haven't broken any rules with the links posted, don't think so, and I am absolutely unaffiliated with either. They're intended as info only.

Oh, and from what I can tell, West Coast Defenders is kaput. Link takes you to a Porn site. Beware!
G & K is a well know lab around SoCal, and they are legit. They have been around since the early 80's doing full DOT and EPA conversions on BMW, Porsche, and Mercedes, etc.

With that said, if you read my post above, you'll see that they are one of the labs that are CARB recognized to do conversions and inspections, and in my personal opinion and having personally talked to a couple of reputable people that had dealings with them, they are not the nicest people to deal with, and have gotten very greedy because of the type of Super Cars they generally work on (read $$$$). You can expect to pay anywhere from $6 to $8,000 to certify a Defender, and that's without any additional work the truck might need. Not worth it for me personally!
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Old June 8th, 2016, 09:00 PM
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Been toying with the idea of taking my 1995 RRC soft dash (CA titled and has lived all its life in CA) and having it pass smog get my plates and insurance and then re-body the truck into a Defender "100". Keeping all the emission components and keeping the odometer with correct milage and obviously keeping the original vin number. This would be a personal truck and with no plans to sell it. Has anyone done this? Would any issues arise other than a Smog check shop flagging it if they see it. My Title States its a "Land Rover" and no where does it say it's a Range Rover.
Is this a NAS? If it's ROW, whey mess with it since you are golden with CA title already?
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He gave me a list of 4 labs in California (one of which is G & K) and said it would take 3 months! What gives? ------
Much of that has little to do with the actual environment, and more to do with the likelihood that those companies probably pay California a hefty sum to be listed as one of those few labs. Plus CA has little incentive to change to a methodology that would create add'l work for themselves and would receive a ton of flack if the state tried to charge those sums for certification.
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Much of that has little to do with the actual environment, and more to do with the likelihood that those companies probably pay California a hefty sum to be listed as one of those few labs. Plus CA has little incentive to change to a methodology that would create add'l work for themselves and would receive a ton of flack if the state tried to charge those sums for certification.
As much as I hate CARB, I don't believe this is true. This is from experience. Those Labs earned it, and should actually be commended for finding a business model within their cesspool of regulations.

Edit: I do agree, that ultimately, "this has little to do with the environment"... now. I have to be honest though. Initially, CARB, and the other SoCal Emissions Gestapo Orgs made a huge difference to our air. When I was a kid (70's) the air here was horrendous.
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Much of that has little to do with the actual environment, and more to do with the likelihood that those companies probably pay California a hefty sum to be listed as one of those few labs. Plus CA has little incentive to change to a methodology that would create add'l work for themselves and would receive a ton of flack if the state tried to charge those sums for certification.
Oh, you bet they probably pay the state. It's almost a monopoly, and those labs are making money hand over fist. What I can't deal with is all the BS that CARB tries to pass off as protecting the environment. Why make it difficult for those of us who have legitimate trucks with legitimate 50-state engines to register our trucks here? Why the BS requirement of having to send our trucks to the "labs" to have them certified?

It's just a scam to extort more money.
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That is ridiculous! If you take a 50 state legal and previously registered engine out and drop it into another truck, it should simply require a referred inspection to determine that all smog equipment is in place and working properly. People are doing conversions on BMW and other makes with no problems. Why are the rovers singled out?
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What about off-road only in CA? From what I can tell I could have a green sticker vehicle with no issues. I could bring in say a 1990 D110, RHD, any engine. Is that correct?
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What about off-road only in CA? From what I can tell I could have a green sticker vehicle with no issues. I could bring in say a 1990 D110, RHD, any engine. Is that correct?
Call and ask whoever issues the offroad stickers.
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Call and ask whoever issues the offroad stickers.
Right... That's the DMV. They're always helpful and predictable

I have read all of their stupid stuff. Seems like it should be a no-brainer, but not clear.

Edit: Looks like older than 2003 is OK for Green Sticker, Off-Highway. I was just hoping someone here knew. If I actually talked with them I wouldn't necessarily trust a yes or no answer. Reading this thread makes that worry even worse.
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Wow! Clear as mud...... https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1...s/howto/htvr19
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I didn't see anyone clearly answer this question.

If the vehicle is model year 1975 or older, it is EXEMPT from all emissions regulations and you are home free. CARB did not start enforcing standards until 1976.

Importation is still the Federal Government's business, and you still need to work those wickets.

Source... I have a '65 SIIA properly titled and registered in CA.
We just imported 2 defenders last month that are 89 and 91. If you have any questions please send me a message and I would be happy to help you.
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