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Old March 22nd, 2016, 03:18 PM
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I am about the pull the trigger on a 1980 Santana 6 cylinder diesel in Spain. It will get a few updates to the exterior before it is shipped over. The 6 cylinder 3.5 is basically the 2.5 with 2 extra cylinders tacked on by Santana. Increased the torque significantly and used all the same parts as the 2.5. I wild be upgrading the engine once it is stateside. Getting quotes for shipping (RoRo) to east coast and transport out vs shipping all the way to the west coast. My original quote for a container to Long Beach was over $5k!


I am wondering about getting the newly imported title here in California and the paperwork involved in the process. It sounds like having an out of state title is the easiest for getting the DMV approval and I don't want to raise too many red flags. Not sure why people are having CARB issues for diesels produced in the 80's since they are CARB exempt.


Will start looking into the VIN verification as I am not familiar with this process.
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I am about the pull the trigger on a 1980 Santana 6 cylinder diesel in Spain. It will get a few updates to the exterior before it is shipped over. The 6 cylinder 3.5 is basically the 2.5 with 2 extra cylinders tacked on by Santana. Increased the torque significantly and used all the same parts as the 2.5. I wild be upgrading the engine once it is stateside. Getting quotes for shipping (RoRo) to east coast and transport out vs shipping all the way to the west coast. My original quote for a container to Long Beach was over $5k!


I am wondering about getting the newly imported title here in California and the paperwork involved in the process. It sounds like having an out of state title is the easiest for getting the DMV approval and I don't want to raise too many red flags. Not sure why people are having CARB issues for diesels produced in the 80's since they are CARB exempt.


Will start looking into the VIN verification as I am not familiar with this process.
Don't even bother trying to get a diesel registered in California is the conventional wisdom of this board. It wont happen. Just do a search diesel california. Stick with Petrol/gasoline power.
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Old March 22nd, 2016, 04:06 PM
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I am wondering about getting the newly imported title here in California and the paperwork involved in the process. It sounds like having an out of state title is the easiest for getting the DMV approval and I don't want to raise too many red flags. Not sure why people are having CARB issues for diesels produced in the 80's since they are CARB exempt.


Will start looking into the VIN verification as I am not familiar with this process.
The main thing where people are running afoul of CARB regs is that every powerplant sold in the US has to be EPA certified. When you are in any other state than CA the 20 year rule for powerplants from the EPA gets you in the door since the powerplant in the truck is exempt per EPA regs. Now with CA the the CARB wants everything to have been at a minimal federalized, and preferably CARB approved. Since the Santana 3.5, or any of the rover TDI's were never federalized then you run into problems with getting the truck signed off emissions wise. That's why the Aussie Perenties shine as far as getting them imported into CA since the Isuzu 4BD1's and the 4BDT's are in the federal database. You can import it, but it's a crap shoot as to whether you can get it registered or not. Some luck out with the whole CA DMV process and slip through, some don't...
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When did these rules come in as I got a diesel 110 registered in 2011 with no problems, and I dont even live in the usa#
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Adam, the news wasn't good but could have been much worse. It is costing me $6,500 to have my 85 ROW 110 CARB certified. When the work is complete in two months it will have the CARB stickers and be smogged. I will be able to go directly to the DMV and register it. George, the man in charge at the lab told me that I was lucky I didn't have a diesel because it would have cost somewhere around $15,000 to get it certified. California does not like gray market vehicles especially diesels. I know others on this forum had suggested registering it in another state and bring back to California or even moving to a different state altogether and while I wouldn't blame anyone for taking that course of action it just isn't an option for me so I was left with no other choice. I know legal 110s are rare in California and in high demand so I look at this process as somewhat of an investment or maybe that's just my was off reconciling going through this bull shit and spending all of this money. Anyway, I caution anyone who is looking to bring a ROW defender into California. let me know if you have anymore questions or if I can help in anyway. Good luck.
Chris, I wanted to ask who you were in contact at the CARB location and who actually did the work. I am looking to import a 1988 D90 3.5v8 petrol Defender and figure I would probably need to go through the same process. Did you ever get a list of what was done to the vehicle from the Lab and how long did this whole process take.
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Chris, I wanted to ask who you were in contact at the CARB location and who actually did the work. I am looking to import a 1988 D90 3.5v8 petrol Defender and figure I would probably need to go through the same process. Did you ever get a list of what was done to the vehicle from the Lab and how long did this whole process take.
At least in 1988 there was the RRC certified compliant with CARB/EPA requirements. But I'm guessing you have CARBS (!) not fuel injection.
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At least in 1988 there was the RRC certified compliant with CARB/EPA requirements. But I'm guessing you have CARBS (!) not fuel injection.
Yea it has carbs on it, not fuel injection. Any ideas on options to make it California legal?
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Hi everyone, I'm a new guy who's been lurking for a while and learning what I can.

Just to confirm something that this thread leaves a bit unclear, if your Defender is pre-1976 (e.g. a 1975 Series III) you are fine bringing it to California and registering it, yes? I'm thinking about buying a Series for this reason, but there are few in CA, so I'm looking at buying one out of state.
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Hi everyone, I'm a new guy who's been lurking for a while and learning what I can.

Just to confirm something that this thread leaves a bit unclear, if your Defender is pre-1976 (e.g. a 1975 Series III) you are fine bringing it to California and registering it, yes? I'm thinking about buying a Series for this reason, but there are few in CA, so I'm looking at buying one out of state.
I'm not an expert but I'll take a shot.

CARB (California Air Resources Board) was created in 1967 and started making rules for cars in California. If you have a pre-1967 car, you are home free.

If you want to register a 1967 or later car in California, it must have been built in the US or imported by Land Rover USA (or Toyota USA or Mercedes USA, etc.) In addition the car or truck needs the original emissions system installed including placards (stickers) under the hood. Then you need to pass emissions testing.

Was your Series III officially imported by Land Rover? If yes, maybe you can register it. Is it a ROW (Rest of World) imported by Joe Blow? No.

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Old April 26th, 2016, 10:36 AM
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Just curious, if one owned a non-CA legal imported diesel vehicle, would a conversion to a CA legal drive train such as the LS allow one to register and drive the vehicle in CA?
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Hello All, I have been quoted $7,000.00 US to have my stock 1989 Diesel Land Rover 90 converted to be legal registered in California. The company is G & K Automotive in Santa Anna. They say they can get a waiver from the C.A.R.B. They are going to put stuff on my motor to make it compliant. Lord, I hope it won't take any power away! YELP reviews are only from people who did not have work done, complained about customer service being slow. I am OK with that, they could be busy if they are good. Has any one got any insight if this a good idea? I am totally able to swap a legal motor if needed. Just thought stock was cool...Anyway, it's noisy, uncomfortable, barely makes 70 on the freeway, but I absolutely love this truck! Don't know why, I get more thumbs up than any super car I have owned. I will throw whatever money at it that I have too to keep it going. I added the Harmon Kardon Navigation system with, well everything. SD to USB and DVD with bluetooth. I replaced the steel wheels with the Land Rover 7243 star aluminum and 265 75 16 Goodyear Trail Mark tires. Had to have the light guards, moose rack and sump guard. DMV gave me a 6 month registration for $1,100.00, but it's up. My other option was a Tesla, but I think I want to keep the Rover. Guidance is needed, thanks for any comments!
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Just to confirm something that this thread leaves a bit unclear, if your Defender is pre-1976 (e.g. a 1975 Series III) you are fine bringing it to California and registering it, yes?
Like you mentioned, a series 3 is not a defender so that might be why you didn't see any definitive answers in this thread regarding registering a series. If your vehicle is pre '76, and already has a title issued by another state, then you will have no issues registering it in CA regardless of the engine it has. It doesn't need to adhere to smog so the dmv will do a vin verification and that's it. Just make sure they get the fuel type correct on your title because they don't always know what they're looking at.

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Just curious, if one owned a non-CA legal imported diesel vehicle, would a conversion to a CA legal drive train such as the LS allow one to register and drive the vehicle in CA?
Yes, theoretically. It's just a matter of making sure you have the required emissions items and getting C.A.R.B. to sign off on it. Nick has been working on carb compliance and he could answer on what the current status is.
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Hello All, I have been quoted $7,000.00 US to have my stock 1989 Diesel Land Rover 90 converted to be legal registered in California. The company is G & K Automotive in Santa Anna. They say they can get a waiver from the C.A.R.B. They are going to put stuff on my motor to make it compliant.
Will G & K give you a 100% money back guarantee if they don't deliver a legal California registration by a specific date?

Do they claim to have done the same for other diesel Defenders and will they give you names and phone numbers of the owners?

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Will G & K give you a 100% money back guarantee if they don't deliver a legal California registration by a specific date?

Do they claim to have done the same for other diesel Defenders and will they give you names and phone numbers of the owners?

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Are you the same Mark W from Modesto that left a crappy Yelp review for ULC? If so why wouldn't you believe G & K's Yelp reviews? Based on their Yelp feedback I would run away as fast as I could unless you have a desire to be a victim once again.
Read thru the entire thread and you will find your answer. You may not like it but you will find it.
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Yes, but I had a bad experience with ULC. I had just got my 90 and was pretty exited about it. I did not think I was treated well at all. If I ever do business with them again, and it is a good thing, I will certainly edit my review. They said they had the part I needed, and would not sell it to me. Took my money. Waited and waited. I am going to ask the exact things you referred too of G & K. That is exactly what I needed, thank you. Do you think a edit for ULC is merited? Thanks for the good advise, I could change a review if you think I may be out of line here....
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Yes, but I had a bad experience with ULC. I had just got my 90 and was pretty exited about it. I did not think I was treated well at all. If I ever do business with them again, and it is a good thing, I will certainly edit my review. They said they had the part I needed, and would not sell it to me. Took my money. Waited and waited. I am going to ask the exact things you referred too of G & K. That is exactly what I needed, thank you. Do you think a edit for ULC is merited? Thanks for the good advise, I could change a review if you think I may be out of line here....
Another good read regarding ULC:
http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...pos-62740.html
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WOW! They may have deserved my review! Anyway, I am going to meet with G & K and check it out. I wish there was a better way.....
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Hi everyone, I'm a new guy who's been lurking for a while and learning what I can.

Just to confirm something that this thread leaves a bit unclear, if your Defender is pre-1976 (e.g. a 1975 Series III) you are fine bringing it to California and registering it, yes? I'm thinking about buying a Series for this reason, but there are few in CA, so I'm looking at buying one out of state.
I didn't see anyone clearly answer this question.

If the vehicle is model year 1975 or older, it is EXEMPT from all emissions regulations and you are home free. CARB did not start enforcing standards until 1976.

Importation is still the Federal Government's business, and you still need to work those wickets.

Source... I have a '65 SIIA properly titled and registered in CA.
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I have been searching for months on how to legally and successfully import a D110 into CA even if it is currently registered in another State. I have read the entire thread here and many others.

Would someone confirm if a 25+ year old licensed D110 can be imported into CA. If so, what conversion is needed for the engine?

I have been dealing with Heritage out of IL and they think they can add a cat converter and fuel injector which will allow me to pass CA emissions and importing laws.

Does anyone have the magic answer on what engines will pass smog? Diesel or Gas? Sounds like a mobile VIN verify helps the process.

What about dropping a new diesel engine in one? I know it would be correct but it would make it a good driver.

Any advice would be appreciated as I know this is a long thread but from the summary, it sounds impossible or illegal. Maybe West Coast Defenders can modify?
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Old June 4th, 2016, 02:12 AM
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There is no clear cut answer, henice all the discussion on the forum. For some, regestering a diesel 25+ has been as easy as.walking into a DMV and paying registration. For others, it has turned into a nightmare as their defender gets flagged and they have to get a CARB certificate costing thousands to get registered.

If you have an imported gas engine, then it must older than 1979 or it must pass smog for the year it was sold here. Since none of the defenders other than NAS were sold here, it must get a CARB certificate to be registered costing thousands. The other potential option is pulling a gas engine from a CA registered RRC/disco and installing it into a defender and passing at a referre station which won't cost thousands but no one on this forum has done it.

Sounds like u want to buy a gas truck and simply removing the carbs and slap on cats, but that won't cut it in Commiefornia. Maybe u can purchase it with a written contract that stipulates if u can't get it registered then they take it back, but get a lawyer involved to be sure.
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