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Old November 19th, 2015, 06:41 AM
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I agree all the high priced defender outfits selling to Americans are nothing more than fast talking corner cutting car dealers, but if you try to sell a cheap defender in the US its presumed junk. People have strange expectations in the US regarding these vehicles, they are 25 year old farm trucks and they were made in Britain. They are not 'fine automobiles' and were nobody's garage queens. Buy them for what they are if the price is right and build it up yourself, so you know what is done to it.
There are many customizers in Europe turning Defender into showboats. It's not a U.S. thing. Kahn, Chelsea Motor Works to name a couple.

The demand is high for custom automobiles. The supply is low. The price will continue to rise for quality work. Someone will figure out how to do this and reap the profits. I'd take it on but I'm too busy with other things. It's not rocket science.
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I agree all the high priced defender outfits selling to Americans are nothing more than fast talking corner cutting car dealers, but if you try to sell a cheap defender in the US its presumed junk. People have strange expectations in the US regarding these vehicles, they are 25 year old farm trucks and they were made in Britain. They are not 'fine automobiles' and were nobody's garage queens. Buy them for what they are if the price is right and build it up yourself, so you know what is done to it.
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We need a Vendors that Suck section now.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 07:31 AM
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We need a Vendors that Suck section now.
It's fragmented here on Defendersource but the basic premise is "they all suck" with the exception of a very few.

There's a huge opportunity here for someone who has their shit together. We'll see who it ends up being. It will happen.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 08:37 AM
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It's fragmented here on Defendersource but the basic premise is "they all suck" with the exception of a very few. There's a huge opportunity here for someone who has their shit together. We'll see who it ends up being. It will happen.
Agree. Hopefully folks will see the value in supporting the indie shops here and the indie suppliers here. We've enough from the overseas vendors that don't stand behind their products.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 08:57 AM
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We also have some very good over seas suppliers. Michael at River House sold me a 110...nearly 4 years ago now. but the 110 was exactly as described if not better. Process dealing with was supper smooth and it was a very positive experience. So not all companies outside the country are just out to rip people off.

I think the biggest problem we face is the guys in the US that pop up flip 2 or 3 POS rovers masquerading as something better on eBay and disappear.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 09:05 AM
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Anybody know anything about rugged rovers (new hope, PA, Doug)?

I had several email exchanges w/ Arkonik and a phone call. Fast talker. I kept asking for pictures (before and after) and documents. Not getting what I asked for - and after having read a few comments online - I moved on.

Too easy to paint over rust... and as Neil Young says, 'rust never sleeps'.
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We also have some very good over seas suppliers. Michael at River House sold me a 110...nearly 4 years ago now. but the 110 was exactly as described if not better. Process dealing with was supper smooth and it was a very positive experience. So not all companies outside the country are just out to rip people off. I think the biggest problem we face is the guys in the US that pop up flip 2 or 3 POS rovers masquerading as something better on eBay and disappear.
Well that person's track record is now in question and his professional stewardship is tainted as a result of his reaction to customer concerns re his work product. I doubt it is the first and only disappointing misrepresentation. It high time for people to call a spade a spade. Half-ass hidden workmanship should have no place in our community.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 09:11 AM
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Lav, Jonesy, and Pheonix won the Pig In A Poke contest and are there now on their European vacation. I pinged Lav the post. We will see what the litigious Mr Hays has to say about it tomorrow.

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I hope they thank them for me! My parts sales have been gradually increasing while their trucks have been coming over.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 09:47 AM
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We also have some very good over seas suppliers. Michael at River House sold me a 110...nearly 4 years ago now. but the 110 was exactly as described if not better. Process dealing with was supper smooth and it was a very positive experience. So not all companies outside the country are just out to rip people off.

I think the biggest problem we face is the guys in the US that pop up flip 2 or 3 POS rovers masquerading as something better on eBay and disappear.
Ha. I too imported from Rivermike and my experience was the opposite of yours. Here's my thread
My ROW 110 Purchase/Import saga - Defender Source
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Well 4 years ago it was a positive. I guess things changed since then.
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For what is worth, i think Uncle Doug and Green Mountain are absolutely right: Either get a solid base abroad and import it as is, expecting to do all the work states-side; or get yourself a NAS that you can inspect and test. I made the mistake of getting a "restored" truck abroad, knowing that I would do a lot of work on it anyway, but assuming that I would be able to cut on time and cost because someone else in Europe had already done some work, only to find that we had to re-do basically everything that had been previously done in Europe. Not saying that all the european restoration shops are bad, but given how difficult it is to manage and inspect that process from thousands of miles away, you do so at your own risk...
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It's no secret that Americans have a profound reputation throughout Europe for overpaying for everything under the sun. What Americans pay for software licenses for instance is astonishing. I saw this first hand when I worked for a couple different US-based software developers. I now work for a medical device manufacturer and the same thing is true here too. US buyers pay $1-2K for a spinal implant screw whereas the OUS market laughs and says we'll give you $100, and you'll like it.
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I am told by Andy at Arkonik that my truck would currently cost 40% more than what i paid 1 year plus ago.

Apparently, he has less faith in his restored 110's than I do. Wouldn't you think he would want the truck back with practically no milage except Arkonik's "break in " miles? It would be part of fulfilling our written agreement, but I have no such offer to collect the truck and refund my money.
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Does anyone know anything about Darren Oliver or Dreamfenders on you tube
He has imported quite a few around 50 or so into the USA I believe
I have seen his export business certification and there are records for many trucks shipped here
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Old November 30th, 2015, 11:50 AM
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I am not familiar with Darren Oliver and Dreamfenders but I'd be concernedabout a guy who holds a video recorder in one hand and the steering wheel/gearshift in the other for the production a sales video.

This thread started last summer with an inquiry from a new member regarding a list of overseas vendors/suppliers she had questions about. Uncle Doug reviewed her list as follows:


"Tophat Classics has dissolved and Oliver is now on his own and is Forest here on the forum.
Heritage Vehicle Sales is Matthew R. Moore formerly MRM Land Rover and you can google him and get a feel for his reputation.
Defenders Direct I work with daily and highly endorse.
Foleys is a top notch shop that wants nothing to do with sending cars to the US anymore but will perform very high quality work for you. Just had them convert a truck back to its original engine so I can ship it.
The LandRovers is again a Netherlands partnership and Daniel is here on the forum. I have worked with them on several trucks and their trucks have been very nice. Daniel even went to the port and fixed brakes for me on a truck I was shipping from Amsterdam that didn't involve him. Great guy.
Arkonik is to avoided @ all costs and there are several threads here about them and the horrendously poor quality of their trucks, and their willful fraud.

The only one in your overseas list I have had no dealings with is Sear Motor Holdings.

West Coast Defender was getting all his trucks from Arkonik.

East Coast Defender is the Humble Bros and they import and build Defenders in Central Florida. I have also had some dealings with them. Tom is active on this forum."

I would second the formation of a list of vendors/suppliers recognizing that the reputation within our community is the most reliable source.
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I'm glad I found this thread! Thanks all.

Not really an import company but a car dealer, anyone dealt with Worldwide Vintage Autos in Denver Colorado? They list on ebay and have a website. Their defenders present well in pictures and they've had a few I would have bought had the stars aligned. Worth a call?

| Worldwide Vintage Autos

East Coast Defenders also seems appealing for something restored. East Coast Defender

Another one is East Coast Rover in Rockland Maine. Nice and knowledgeable people I visited last year, but prices were shocking. $200-250k for a restored 110. http://eastcoastrover.com
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I'm glad I found this thread! Thanks all.

Not really an import company but a car dealer, anyone dealt with Worldwide Vintage Autos in Denver Colorado? They list on ebay and have a website. Their defenders present well in pictures and they've had a few I would have bought had the stars aligned. Worth a call?

| Worldwide Vintage Autos

East Coast Defenders also seems appealing for something restored. East Coast Defender

Another one is East Coast Rover in Rockland Maine. Nice and knowledgeable people I visited last year, but prices were shocking. $200-250k for a restored 110. East Coast Rover Co.
From what I've seen WWVA hasn't shown anything worth their mark-up. They've bought plenty of trucks from here posing as regular members, only to see them on their site for 2x the price a month later.
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From what I've seen WWVA hasn't shown anything worth their mark-up. They've bought plenty of trucks from here posing as regular members, only to see them on their site for 2x the price a month later.
They posted a NAS 90 with a 300tdi that I wanted pretty bad that wasn't a bad deal $ wise but most of the trucks they list are on the high side. I too have noticed that they are flipping trucks but that is what most dealers do for a living. Doesn't make it right for sure but i get it as the market is small.

I'm an hour away from them and could do an inspection if someone needs. I may need the favor from someone else in the near future.
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I'm glad I found this thread! Thanks all.

Not really an import company but a car dealer, anyone dealt with Worldwide Vintage Autos in Denver Colorado? They list on ebay and have a website. Their defenders present well in pictures and they've had a few I would have bought had the stars aligned. Worth a call?

| Worldwide Vintage Autos

East Coast Defenders also seems appealing for something restored. East Coast Defender

Another one is East Coast Rover in Rockland Maine. Nice and knowledgeable people I visited last year, but prices were shocking. $200-250k for a restored 110. East Coast Rover Co.
Maybe start a thread in the "Chit Chat" section with a good descriptive title & spell out exactly what kind of Defender you are looking for & ask the community how much to pay & what the best way to find it at a reasonable price is? Scour the market, but patience is your friend. Personally, I'd be very skeptical of any outfit that doesn't have an enthusiastic following here.
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